Friday, March 24, 2006

The story of Saeed Abu Salah



Saeed Abu Salah is a patient man. Judging from all he has endured during the past four years at least. Abu Salah-40 years old with graying hair and eyes the color of chestnuts, and 20 children from separate two marriages-lives in Gaza’s northernmost region in the farming town of Beit Hanun-nearly as far north as you can go without being killed as so many have.

He is less than a kilometer away in fact from the border with Israel-and the fence and wall that bulldozers, active even as we spoke and visible in plain distance, were building.

Directly across from his house, at the end of an unpaved dirt path that used to lead to his 40 donom cattle ranch and citrus groves-now inaccessible and razed to the ground- is an Israeli lookout tower, resting atop a large mound of sand just across the border. It is equipped with a camera that monitors the family’s every move even as we speak, and a sniper, who every now and again fires “warning” shots at us.

“He doesn’t like you being here, as a journalist. Its normal-he shoots day and night, but particularly when visitors come” explained Abu Salah matter-of-factly, of the unseen sniper, whom he talks about with unenviable confidence and the seemingly intimate knowledge of a close acquintance.



Still, Abu Salah is unflinching in his determination to stay put, asserting that he will only allow Israeli troops to drive him out, which he says they have tried to do so many times before, “over his dead body”.

The UNDP estimated the damage done to his farm, which one employed over 30 Palestinians, at nearly half a million dollars. All he got in return was a zinc-sheeted shed, shielding little more than a wounded horse. “We just can’t afford to buy any more cattle. Or plant any more trees. Why should we? The Israelis will just destroy them again,” he says, staring at the forboding and ever-present tower in the distance. His family used to be self-sufficient, but since his farm was razed, he now has to rely on working for a local contractor once a week for money.

He greets me with tea and sweet, strong coffee as he displays his “museum of Israeli war artifacts”-a room full of 55kg tank shells that we can barely lift together, which he has decorated with artificial flowers; an arch, neatly trimmed with a line of Israeli bullet casings; and a photo album he keeps of all the damage done to his ranch-including his sniped cows, lying dead alongside each other, their intestines spilling out of their bloated stomachs.



“It’s as if they wanted to say, ‘this could be you’” he said, his young children peering through the iron-barred window in front of us, and the smallest, piercingly blue-eyed child giggling under his arms. “They used to be so afraid-the young ones still are. Now, they have gotten so used to it that if we don’t hear shelling, we think something is wrong. They are always firing at us, and when not firing, then shelling, and when not shelling, hovering over us with F-16s and drones, mocking us, provoking us, trying to show us that we are surrounded from all sides and that we have to eventually leave.”

There are no clinics where he lives. No grocery stores. Nothing is allowed. His wife is expecting anyday now, but Abu Salah is worried an ambulance may not be allowed in.

“Since Israeli forces declared the area-including my home, a buffer zone a few months ago, dozens of heavy shells fired by either Israeli tanks or warplanes have fallen in the area, wounding my 21-years old son Eid in his right arm, inflicting severe damage to my modest house and casting panic in my children’s’ hearts” explained Abu Salah, lifting his son’s wasted arm, left with little more than base muscle and stubs of fingers.

“I am not a Hamas supporter, but let me say that we’ve given enough concessions-and whole decade of concessions for free. The PLO decided to recognize Israel and what did recognition bring us? Have them recognize our rights first, our freedom to live, our right of return, then surely, we will recognize their rights.”

At night, Abu Salah and his family become prisoners in their own home, unable to move for free of being shot by the faceless sniper.

“This is our existence. This is our reality. This is our fate. And we will bear it out, but never another hijra (exile)-I will stay here till they bury me in my grave.”

110 Comments:

Blogger Abu Shaar said...

Sounds like what was Abu Jameel Street in Rafah.

Meanwhile, I got an email from Barbara Lubin this afternoon. The emergency appeal is going very well.

We can raise more!
Dollars, pounds, dinars, shekels.

Don't wring those hands:
Click here: https://secure.groundspring.org/dn/index.php?aid=1171

"Dear Friends,
Many thanks to all of you who have responded so quickly and generously to our appeal. As of today, the Middle East Children's Alliance has now raised $20,000 which will provide food parcels to 400 Palestinian families in Gaza.

Over the last few days humanitarian aid and truckloads of food supplies have been entering Gaza through the Egyptian crossing, but the Karni crossing has mostly remained closed. As a result, prices have gone up and many families cannot afford the food that is available.

I am very please to tell you that Firedoll Foundation has generously offered to match every additional contribution up to $3,000.

If you’ve already made a gift, I am deeply grateful. If you haven’t given yet, or if you are able to give again, please do so now, so that we can take advantage of this opportunity to double your gift now and raise an additional $6,000 to feed children in Gaza.

Every additional $50 feeds another family.

We are sending 100% of the money you give to Gaza for food, and to pay small stipends to the Palestinian youth who will help in the distribution.

I have already wired $10,000 to Dr. Mona Elfarra and tomorrow, with the help of staff and volunteers from the Palestinian Red Crescent Society and local youth, she will begin distributing the food parcels. They are prioritizing families with children under five and single-parent families.

Until Israel agrees to fully open the Karni crossing and allow trucks in and out, this man-made crisis will continue to escalate.

Please do three crucial things today:

1. Ask your congressional representatives to continue pressuring the Israeli government to open the Karni crossing. Call the switchboard toll-free at 1-888-355-3588 or visit www.congress.org

2. Make the most generous contribution you can possibly afford. Remember, every dollar you give will be doubled.

3. Forward this email to anyone you know who may be able to help in this emergency.

1:25 AM  
Blogger umkahlil said...

Thanks Abu Shaar. I'll post this on my blog. And remember,if you live in the US, for any donation 250.00 or over, request a receipt from the organization, and just make a note of date and amount for anything under.

Incredible story of a portrait in courage Laila. Thank you again.

1:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope you don't end up going to law school or anything stupid like that. You have a great talent for in-depth journalism. Stick to it, please, its rare to be able to get glimpses into Palestine like these, don't end up like so much other Palestinian talent, sucked into international development/law bull--believing that jet-setting and public speaking in the states will get us Palestine back. This is where Palestine will win, in the human. And you're defending it everyday. It is tiring, but there isn't anyway to think of it but as holding your breath until you can hand it over to someone else, or until we're liberated.
You may not see it this way, but you have a privilege so many of us Palestinians outside don't have. We can't go back, and we need people like you to show us, so that we stay connected. We live on that connection, its what keeps giving us hope--we work in order own communities, but we also need to know--in the nitty gritty, in the dirt and mud of it, what Palestine is like. We can't live on our grandparents dreams anymore.

2:50 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...

I was wondering if you would have a comment about the Palestinians who are suffering in Iraq. This was reported in the NY Times at http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/24/international/middleeast/25iraqcnd.html?ei=5094&en=fe52610c9821c826&hp=&ex=1143262800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print.

3:13 AM  
Blogger Safia speaks said...

" The PLO decided to recognize Hamas and what did recognition bring us?"

Are you sure of this quote?
I would expect the line to go " The PLO decided to recognize Israel and what did recognition bring us?"

8:35 AM  
Blogger Laila said...

hah-yes you are right Safia-i wrote this after 1am so please forgive the obvious errors!

10:38 AM  
Blogger umkahlil said...

Dear Anonymous,

I agree wholeheartedly that the connection Laila provides and her brilliant way of expression is invaluable, but those of us abroad, especially in western countries have work to do re informing US taxpayers and Congress...disseminating Laila's stories, in order to inform the people who are paying for the occupation. Many in the US think that Palestine occupies Israel!

2:24 PM  
Anonymous Z said...

Stop firing the rockets into Israel and your problem will go away!

It's that simple

3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im sorry but having 20 children in this day and age seems silly to me.Is birth control completely forbidden in islam

4:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anom,do not forget,his wife is expecting again, and the ambulance was allowed twenty times to get in,but he is afraid,thet MAYBE this time.....

6:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don´t see that you are having any problems to get ammunitions and weapons in,there´s aways enough to "celebrate"

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Zingo said...

'Anonymous' show urself up you coward.

6:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from March 17...
"Unlike the US, where people are supposed to enjoy equal rights irrespective of race, religion or ethnicity, Israel was explicitly founded as a Jewish state and citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship. Given this, it is not surprising that its 1.3 million Arabs are treated as second-class citizens, or that a recent Israeli government commission found that Israel behaves in a ‘neglectful and discriminatory’ manner towards them. Its democratic status is also undermined by its refusal to grant the Palestinians a viable state of their own or full political rights."

If this is true, that Israel, founded as an explicitly Jewish nation, refuses to allow citizenship to non-Jews, and I don't know that it is, I understand the emotion that founded Israel as a Jewish state. What country in the entire world came to their aid when they were being exterminated by the millions just for being born Jewish? Who offerred them a safe haven? Fear for their lives and a determination that it never happen again is understandable to me. I believe that I would be anxious to do the same, wouldn't you? To create a safe place for my people.

Now, however, it would seem that is no longer necessarey...unless, of course, it's true that there are those who want to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth...

Is Israel the only country that denies citizenship to anyone who wants citizenship?

8:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am curious but how many children is average in Gaza?

I am sorry if I seem so surprised but twenty children with one more on the way seems really excessive. In the US you would be on poverty row unless you had a really really great job with lots of money. How can he afford to feed, cloth, and pay for their education and future? What does he do for a living?

10:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am curious but how many children is average in Gaza?

I am sorry if I seem so surprised but twenty children with one more on the way seems really excessive. In the US you would be on poverty row unless you had a really really great job with lots of money. How can he afford to feed, cloth, and pay for their education and future? What does he do for a living?

10:49 PM  
Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

umkhalil, first of all, welcome back. Haven't seen you in a while. Second all, where is there any occupation in the north? There is also the fact that this is a very one sided story, so how can you be prepared to "disseminate" this information to the west if you do not tell the entire story. For instance, why was this area declared a buffer zone? How can you inform when you're only telling one side of the story?
-OC

12:00 AM  
Anonymous jasmin said...

I think how many children he has is his own business. This man used to be a wealthy man, with a farm employing 30 people, and I think for a farmer a lot of children are useful, since they help with the work. And don't forget the 20 kids are from 2 different marriages!
This man didn't fire any rockets, and didn't help anybody doing it. He didn't do anything but work honestly. Is he responsible for the things that other people did?
And if this "buffer zone" is for security purposes, why didn't this man at least get some kind of compensation for his destroyed farm?

See? THIS is how terrorists are created!

1:34 AM  
Anonymous jasmin said...

To olah: she doesn't have to tell both sides of the story. She is responsible for her side, since you "kindly" always provide the other.
And she dosen't have to tell why the buffer zone was declared. We all hear the news, don't we? I mean it's not a secret or something?

And about one-sided storys: that's the good thing in this blog- to hear the other side from the story, not only that that we see in the news.

1:44 AM  
Anonymous Z said...

Jasmin,

Let’s personalize the other side. In June of 2004, one Kassam rocket hit a Sderot kindergarten murdering Mordechai Yosopov and mortally injuring Afik Zahavi. The PA did nothing to stop the rocket makers and terrorists that fire them. Should Israel just sit by and watch its citizen murdered one by one? Maybe they should send PA a bill and file a lawsuit.

Cleary, for many many years, Saeed Abu Salah was able to make an honest living, create wealth, and employ 30 workers. Israel didn’t cause his misfortunes – the terrorists that decided to fire the rocket did!

We all want out of this situation. The end of Palestinian terrorism will instantly remove the “buffer zone” and open all the passes into Gaza. Take the first step, the results will benefit you more so than the Israelis.

2:03 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

A short self description. I was born a Dane, now living in Canada. After the outbursts over the Danish cartoons I decided to see the other side to understand. I found Haitham's site and had my eyes opened. No questions about your religion. All he wanted was your understanding of his views. For years I thought that Muslims were suicide bombers and murderers. I personally hated violence.
Now after a couple of months of Haitham and his links I have discovered that I don't hear the truth about what is going on in Palestein. What I am learning is horrifying me.
The problem as I see it is not Palestinian or Jewish but Zionism.
Zionism is as bad as radical fundamentalism. We have radical fundamentalism over here that is christian. Ask Bush.
After visiting your site and reading your posts I am saddened that none of this is reported in Canada. We need to read it to see the other side.
I am very sorry that this is happening to your country and I will send this link to everyone I can so the truth gets around.
Peace be with you and all.

3:40 AM  
Anonymous Z said...

Kimmy,

Please read more about Zionism. It's nothing more than the desire for Israel to exist as the Jewish homeland.

The TRUTH from Palestine can be heard from Hamas.

"Hamas, the militant and political group in the Palestinian Territories have said that they win the Palestinian Authority Parliamentary election, they would ban men and women dancing together and will strip gay men and women of the few rights they have in the territory that they have at present."

Did you hear that in your media?

3:51 AM  
Blogger Amelopsis said...

Kimmy if you do read more about Zionism, you'll find that you're correct - it's nothing as peaceable or peaceful as Z suggests. It is shocking to discover these horrible truths - as a Canadian, I know how little I was taught about any of it growing up and how easily people are able to ignore the plight of Palestinians: they never hear about it!

Laila your post is wonderful and enlightening from a perspective not easily found, Thank you, as ever.

4:00 AM  
Anonymous Z said...

Amelopsis,

I have a simple question:

Do you deny the Jew the right to live in their historical homeland as an independent nation?

4:10 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

z,
Zionism and Judaeism are not the same!
I have done some research and you are wrong!
More background: I have a family (on my mother's side) with the name of Rosenberg. They are even telling me that Zionism is a radical version of Judaeism. They are against what is happening in the Middle East.
Please don't protect what the Israelis are doing in Palestein. The Israelies are using God as their excuse to do whatever they want to with Bush's blessing.
Do some more research and you will find that the religious right in the US want Israel to win because it will fulfill their prophesies.
Simple end to the conflict-Give back Palestein to the Palestinians.

4:18 AM  
Anonymous Z said...

Kimmy,

I'm afraid you are seriously mistaken. Zionism is an important aspect of Judaism. The land of Israel and Jerusalem are part and parcel of the Jewish civilization. We pray three times a day facing Jerusalem. Every year we mourn the destruction of the Jewish temple, and in our codified prayer, we ask for the return to the land of Zion. For more in depth information please look at: http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_zionism.htm

We can debate aspects of Israel’s policies and actions, but if you deny the right for Israel to exist – as you have insinuated in your comments – then we have clarity on our positions, but no hope of ever reaching a sensible conclusion.

4:26 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
Read this and tell me you are right.
Zionism is wrong.

5:08 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
z, try this one too.

5:24 AM  
Anonymous Z said...

Kimmy,

I had an ominous feeling that you’d quote that site. That group of Jews – a sect more than a group really – represents no more than 1/10 of one percent of worldwide Jewry. Yet, you decided to make them the authority on Zionism. It’s now abundantly clear that you either have an ax to grind or made up your mind based on erroneous information. If you’re interested in the truth then do more research, it will give you a richer understanding of the situation on the ground. If not, then at least be intellectually honest and state that you believe that the Jews don’t have the right to their national homeland.

7:01 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

z,
Please give me more info. I just want to understand. Just don't give me political info!

7:31 AM  
Anonymous Z said...

Kimmy,

I'm glad that your interested in the truth. What would you like to know? I'd be more than happy to find the right information for you.

7:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zionism is not racism or evil as you are suggesting. It is, as has been said, the desire for a national home for the Jewish People, of which Palestinian national aspirations are the equivalent. The legality of it? Both peoples have claims and roots in that land.

Is that racist? No. We do not all live in multi-cultural countries where all nationalites are mixed together. Arab countries are generally ethnically homogenous and of one state sactioned religion. Is that wrong? Should we all become America? We have the Arab League? Should we force them to accept other nationalites into the League? No- that would be absurb.

9:45 AM  
Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

kimmy, one simple question. When did Palestine ever belong to the Palestinians? You can't give something BACK to some-one who never had it in the first place. Can you please provide the sources for your statements? Your "research" has led you to sites that are extremely unreputable. If you would like legitimate sources to find the truth, I would be more than happy to tell you. But, I am Jewish, so please don't profess to know what Judaism and Zionism is or isn't because you have some-one in you family with a Jewish last name. Because, honestly, you have no idea what you're talking about. It also, simply put, very sad that you are only willing to hear one side of the story and not hear the whole truth. The only way to hear the truth is to have both ears open instead of having them be closed off as a sounding board. But, only spouting without listening to what people like Z has to say is always the easy thing to do.

Jasmin, terrorists are created through the programs instituted to create them; school and religion, namely and the celebritization of past Suicide bombers and terrorists. Again, the question, and please answer it. Why was the buffer zone created? What was happening that caused this buffer zone to be created in the first place?
-OC

2:02 PM  
Blogger Oleh Yahshan said...

Kimmy,
There are a lot of people here who would be more than happy to give you a different opinion about what Zionism is.
Asking Neturai Karta about Zionism (Jews against Zionism and Co.) would be like asking the KKK about blacks.
As Z pointed out they are a tiny part of Jews, and are a very loud group.
Most jews in the World today are zionists, Either by living in Israel and supporting the country, or by living in other countries (mostly the U.S.) and supporting it from afar (Aipac and alike).

the Idea (real short)of zionism was to create a home land for the Jews of the world after being in exile for 2000 years. Zionism does not reject a Palestinian state nor does it Hate arabs. We (unlike the arabs) agreed to the 1947 U.N. Partition plan, and in the ISraeli Decleration we call out to our Arab friends to come and help us build a great country together.

Thats without going into details. If you want more info you are welcome to ask if you would like I am willing to move this to Email format (for convinience only).

I have no problem saying that I am very biased being a Zionist, and am proud of it. I (unlike a lot of people who write in this blog's comments) see nothing wrong with Zionism. That is not to say that it, or it's members are perfect. We have made many mistakes in the past, and i am sure we will make them in the future. But Zionism is not EVIL like some people would like to say.

5:39 PM  
Anonymous stacy said...

To anon 8.35:

Israel does allow people of other faiths to become citizens and to emigrate there, the criteria are pretty much like any other Western nation, application (favorable to young well educated people - much like the States), residence and then citizenship. Jews are fasttracked, that is all.
Most countries, including the States don't have open door policies to anyone. They tend to favor well educated people who can contibute to society or people with a familial relationship - parent from that country for instance. Some countries in the West allow asylum but this is carefully checked and the States has a tightly controlled lottery system that allows a limited number of people the opportunity to enter from countries with low immigration. The US State department lists all countries and their immigration policies.

Oh and could all you anonymous please just make up a screen name so that you can be distinguished.

6:54 PM  
Anonymous stacy said...

Kimmy - there are lot of different zionist groups, it sounds like you are distracted by the minority religious extremists among them (and lets face it - don't all religions have their extremists and people who use religion to further their own goals?).
The main goal of zionism is a quest for self determination. Some zionists do focus on religion, some on a safe haven for Jews. The more religious, messianic Jews want an exlusively Jewish State (they are actually a minority - just a very vocal and media attracting one) and some zionist groups, the old socialist ones actually favored a binational state.

It is a mistake to confuse zionism with the politics of Israel the modern nation. The majority of Israelis were born there and their focus is less a zionist one (in fact few would define themselves as such) and more the regular concerns of citizens everywhere - work, income, family, safety, much like those are the concerns of the average Palestinian.
Unfortunately, the focus tends to be on radical elements - the terrorist groups and the hard line religious zionist groups. They have really hijacked the lives of most people there.

7:02 PM  
Blogger Oleh Yahshan said...

Stacy,
well put, nice comment.

7:39 PM  
Anonymous sp said...

I feel compelled to leave a comment here. I am someone who likes to think of herself as being "right down the middle" when it comes to looking at this situation (Israel vs. Palestine). I have spent an enormous amount of time researching and reading all sides of this issue. I think there is deplorable behavior on both sides, as well as many good, honest and hardworking people- but no party can claim complete innocence (IMO). I also freely admit that I am not an expert at this subject and cannot offer any meaningful solutions (that haven't already been offered or considered).

Please forgive me Olah and Oleh, but... when the Olah/Oleh contingency posts a comment I cannot help but give an audible groan that they are "taking over" Laila's comment box, and I get a little tired of their rhetoric.

HOWEVER, this all being prefaced... I have to say that with respect to Kimmy's blatantly ignorant position of - to paraphrase- reading Haitham's blog, not needing to read/research all sides of the issue, having a relative with a Jewish surname and reading an extreme anti-zionism website- somehow makes her well versed in this issue... OMG, I am in agreement with the above posts by Olah and Oleh. I never would have thought this could happen to me.

Kimmy, come on... how ignorant and quite frankly stupid can you be such that these few bits of research can make you feel that you have learned enough to completely understand a situation? Anyone who is removed from this situation (i.e. not Israeli or Palestinian or otherwise directly involved) cannot possibly know what is going on without doing a lot of well-balanced research.

I am a lawyer and one of the things that I learned in law school was that you cannot possibly be well-prepared for a case until you look at all sides. You need to understand and know as much as possible about your opponent's position.

Kimmy, do yourself, everyone here and everyone at the other blogs where you comment (I have read your woefully ill-researched comments) a favor and research all sides of this issue. I, for one, don't mind which side of the debate you choose... but make that choice based upon well-rounded knowledge, as opposed to one-sided ignorance.

8:45 PM  
Blogger Parton Words said...

One of the things that shines through for me from your region is that I don't understand there can be so much hate. I don't understand hate. I know that it's not exclusive to Israel and Palestine, but I just don't get it. I guess we saw a fair bit of hate on the beaches of Sydney earlier in the year. In the words of Timmy Thomas...."Why Can't We Live Together"

9:32 PM  
Blogger Laila said...

Oleh and Olah:
This is getting ridiculous. I have respected your right to free speech on MY personal blog, which is after all just that-and not some public forum like Haaretz or the NY Times. Yet lately I am beginning to feel like it is the Oleh-Olah show, the tag-teaming settler duo. I'm just curious-is my blog your only obsession? Do you sleep? I mean the moment someone comments, I literally can count the seconds until your comments appear. And you are free to do so but within bounds; please respect my personal space. That is the least you could do after disrespecting my people and my land. Thank you.

9:59 PM  
Blogger Oleh Yahshan said...

Sp,
I am not sure if I should even comment since you seem not to like the fact that I am doing so (at least as often as I do).
But on the other hand just like you can't stand by and read someone like kimmy, I feel the same about many of the people here.
And there are people out there like Kimmy (sorry Kimmy for using you as my example over and over again), and people like you who are not all one sided and have the ability to understand that there are 2 sides to every argument/war, and that it's not all black and white.

that is all I try to do. I don't think that Israel is 100% correct in everything it does, but if I were to read only this blog and base my self on the opinions that are expressed here by some (including using personal attacks), I to would think that the Israelies deserve to have their kids blown up on busses and caffes and I would think that all Israelies do all day is think of how to make the life in Gaza more diffecult.

The reason I (and my wife) comment so much is because we are the other voice for the most part, if there were 10 others like us (in this blog) most likely you would hear much less of me (go read some of the other blogs I read and count the amount of comments there).

10:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry Laila,but I have to agree with Oleh,I can even understand your point of view,but it´s always the same,attacking Israel which is responsible for all kind of disgraces your people is suffering.
Change of subjects,the same meaning.
Israel´s fault.
If someone who has no idea what it´s occuring in Palestine/Israel visits your Blog has no two points of view;of course it´s your personal Blog and YOUR point of view.
It´s not easy to see the other side as well but you never considered,that terrorism does even exist in your land.
That your people also murdered,that your people also attack Israel with rockets.
Like you may think that Oleh/Olah are not respecting your people and your land,I also feel the same when I come here sometimes to read some more "news" from you, and what I see ? It´s always the same thing:
How bad are those "israelis" and from how do they have nothing else to do except do your life more and more miserable everyday.
We both have the same desires,raise our kids in peace, in our land.
You have a right to have a land. So we have also the the right to have a land.
Are you angry? I am angry either!
You think that your people it´s suffering?
Can you believe that in my point of view I feel the same about my people?
But writing bad things about Palestinians would not help any of us.
So I don´t do it.
Maybe...one day,we could just live in

Salam/Shalom

11:13 PM  
Anonymous shabtai said...

The oleh-olah show. LOL!

The double standards are amazing- Laila must make sure to include the side of her occupier in everything she writes, otherwise she is considered "unbalanced". Meaning, a Palestinian can only express his or her view if s/he makes sure to express the view of the other side. The settlers, however, can keep one sided blogs and that's ok. "Balance" is another way of saying "we don't like what you write because you are expressing your opinion- and we can't have that". (For lovely examples see what they wrote about Rachel Corrie and how they mock the tragedy of 1948- the nakba.)

Keep up the good work Laila. We thank you for it now, and Yousef will thank you for it when he is older.

best,
s

12:02 AM  
Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

laila, am I settler simply because I live on this land? It only seems we post so much because we seem to be the only ones who don't go along with the squack box. You can insult me all you want. That is your perogative, but when you and your "followers" go and attack and lie about events, I feel I have a duty to defend myself. I have asked you before, and I will ask again. If you wish for me or my husband or any-one who has a dissenting point of view to stop commenting, simply ask, and I will accomadate your wishes. If not, then please elaborate on how my or any-one else's dissenting comments disrespect you or your people or your land. If you hate us so much, then please come and say it outright. Stop beating around the bush, and attempting to insult and attack me. Unlike some people who quote anonymously, I and my husband having nothing to hide about who we are. If you only want people who agree with you to comment, then please spell it out. If you want personal attacks on us to go unheeded, then speak straight. Can't you give any straight answers?

My only wish is that our children will be able to play together. Such a pity that he grows up in a society filled with such hatred and contempt.
-OC

12:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems that Palestinians have this tremendous ability to choose the wrong side,wrong leaders, wrong tactics,and choosing violence over negotiations. The Isaelies were attacked time and again; the Israelis conquered parts of Jordan and Gaza, a land that even Sadat (=Egypt)did not want.Now they are not even welcomed in Iraq.So, what are you going to do: continuing the killing, continuing educating your youth to become shahids? Where is this going to end?I do not understand the Palestinian people.

2:39 AM  
Blogger moi said...

Laila,
Thank you for bringing us these amazing stories of strength and perseverence. The amount of suffering that this man and his family are willing to go through to maintain their right to remain in their home is a rare act these days. Standing up for principles is rare. May God be with them.

6:45 AM  
Blogger Elizabeth said...

Maybe Oleh and Olah are actually a group of people posting under the same two names.

10:05 AM  
Blogger Abu Shaar said...

A question for those of you who say you want to do something to help
(like Olehandolah and the anonymous ones)

Did you contribute at the link I posted from the Middle East Children's Alliance? https://secure.groundspring.org/dn/index.php?aid=1171
http://www.mecaforpeace.org


If not, why not?

Don't say you're concerned about the children of Gaza and not part with a few NIS to feed them

10:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Abu,
Since I live in Europe,even though I do not agree or do not send money myself I do it somewhow,when I pay my taxes every month,and I think that if they always have enough money to buy ammunitions for all kind of celebrations they also should have money to feed the children. I never heard that they are short on those.
I am concerned about children who lives in Africa which really do not have anything to drink or eat.
Sorry, but kids in Gaza does not seem starving

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am pretty sure that with the Arafat´s wife money you are able to feed entire population of Gaza for one year.
Ask her.
Is she ready to make a donation?

10:55 AM  
Anonymous Sturla Halldórsson said...

Just like to thank for this great blog. Keep up the good work!

11:45 AM  
Anonymous cay said...

Olah,

You are a settler if you live in land illegally occupied by Israel since 1967. Read the Geneva Conventions and the UN charter both of which Israel has signed to find out about the restrictions placed on gaining land by occupation and the rulings against transfer of population into occupied territories. If you do live beyond the green line, then you are indeed a settler.So, assuming that you are a settler, living in the occupied territories, the land you live on should be assigned to a future Palestinian state. As far as I am concerned - as a person who unlike you, from what you have written in this blog, does not support restrictions on nationality on the basis of ethnic group - you could stay there, it is your home, but you would become subject to Palestinian law. If, as I understand from your posts you are zionist and wish to live in the Jewish state, then you should go and live there.

2:17 PM  
Anonymous Eu Man said...

cay,
The palistinains have already stated they will not allow Jews who live in these places today to stay there even if there is a Palestinian State. They want a palestinian State that is free of Jews.

Also why is the green line so important? what makes that line any more important than the 1947, UN agreed apon - partition Plan?

3:01 PM  
Blogger Adilah said...

I just want to say that i think your blog is absolutely amazing ...i hear about gaza in the news...but your blog makes it real for me it almost like i can picture what your saying. I know in reality i cant imagine what your everyday life is like but i just wanted you to know that im a fan of you and your family and this blog keep it up!

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow Laila, you are getting allot of attention now. Thank you for calling out the Olah & Oleh (the occupiers!) It is not enough for them to occupy Palestine now they have to occupy your blog.........They are showing how obnoxious Settlers can be even in your personal space!!! My advice to them is to GO AWAY!! stay on your own blogs, obviously you have nothing better to do than to attack and prove that you are better than everyone else.

The woman is reporting her stories that she lives on a daily basis. Keep it up Laila!

H

6:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Laila,

Ironic how fast the Olah/Oleh responded! Just like you said! Unfortunately they will not see the forest for the trees!

6:05 PM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Olah is an occupier, indeed.
The mother of Martyrs , a mother that send 2 of her sons to their deaths, agrees.
For her the solution for the palestinian problem is very simple :

They ( the jews ) either will leave palestine alive or in pieces ".

That`s the PEACE process.

Some palestinians still did not accept the jews in palestine.

Jews are still seen as ocupiers.
How can people live side by side if some see others as ocupiers ?

Peace will not come

6:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are sick!!!
Occupiers you called people that lives in a Land that never even ever existed.
Oleh/Olah they should really go away from this,and take care of their lives.
You are not going anywhere with those people here.
What they really want it´s a country, free from Jews,free from democracy and if possible from everything else,just like all other Arab countries.

6:29 PM  
Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

cay, and the rest of you who call people names in place of any semblence of intelligence, you can believe whatever you want to believe. That doesn't make it true. Like, the guy who believes that he can fly until he jumps off the roof and finds out that gravity is actually a reality. My greatest pleasure in all this is the simple fact that all the names you call me and my people, and all the attacks your people throw at my country does really matter. I know you would love to go back to the time when the Jews would have no choice but lay down and die. When you didn't like something about me, and you would call your friends together and pogrom us into utter terror. You would love to go back to the day when the Jews' only weapon of defense was the Bible in their hands. I can see some of you foaming at the mouth at the fact that there's a Jew that won't back down. I can defend myself from your attacks, and if you try to come at me, well now my gun's bigger than yours. You're not used to them evil Jews opening their mouths without showing some respect. You can call me the evil "settler", the "apartheid" enforcer, the "colonialist", blah, blah, blah, and all your other b.s. But, get it through your heads. The Jews are here, in this land, to stay. I'm not shutting up, and you can't get rid of me. I would love to see you try. And, there are much more of me than there are of you.
-OC

7:33 PM  
Anonymous bb said...

"You are sick!!!Occupiers you called people that lives in a Land that never even ever existed.Oleh/Olah they should really go away from this,and take care of their lives.You are not going anywhere with those people here.What they really want it´s a country, free from Jews,free from democracy and if possible from everything else,just like all other Arab countries."
Wow!
If Israel is NOT occupying palestine (that never existed in your opinion), and NOT occupying the Golan, and the Israelis are not occupiers...
What do you think? was the land just empty until they came along? and what was the piece of land that was part of the Osman empire and was later under british "protection" after WW I called?
I tell you - It was called Palestine. And until about 100 years ago, hardly a jew was to be found there, as opposed to arabs.
I don't say that all jews have to go out of the land. But if you expect to be respected and to live in peace, you have to do just that, respect the palestinians and let them live in peace. And if you want your right to live in your own land to be recognized and respected, do the same. Recognize and respect the right of the palestinians to exist, and to live on their own land if they wish to.
believe me, that is all they are asking for.

8:03 PM  
Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

bb, you really don't know your history. Who's the Osman empire? Like, the Donny and Marie Osmand? They're called the OTTOMANS. Palestine never existed. That is a fact. There was never such a thing as a Palestinian Arab government. There was never such a nation referred to as Palestine or the Palestinians. Let's go through the history. Let's skip the Babylonians and the Jews and even the Greeks having controlled this country first. First, the Babylonians came in and conquered Judea (which was the Kingdom of the Jews) and destroyed the First Temple. But, many Jews remained and rebuilt the Temple. Then, in 70 CE (a little over 2,000 years ago), the Romans came in and destroyed the Second Temple, killing many Jews, and expelling or enslaving the rest. In spite of this, many thousands of Jews remained and rebelled against their Roman rulers, who were persecuting then. In punishment to the Jews, the Roman Empire renamed the land of Judea to Philistia, later called the region of Palestine. Even when the Arab marauders invaded the land, the did not form a nation there, certainly not a Palestinian nation. Many nations have conquered and governed the region, persecuting, and killing the JEWS who continued to live there. You are absolutely right. The land was NOT empty, because Jews have always lived there.

When the Bedouins began to come, there were, at first, only about 500,000 of them came. Many Jews and even British officers from the early 20th century have been quoted as saying that when they first came here, there were barely any Arabs living there. There were still a number of Jews still living there. However, the first big wave or reverberations of Jewish immigrants coming in from Eastern European countries started in the mide to late 1800s. Well over 100 years ago. But, rest assured, Jews have been living on this land, continuously, for over 3,500 years. Actually, there were many Jewish settlements in Gaza way before 1948. In fact, after 1967, the only settlements that were created were those that existed before 1948.

My dear bb, until the Palestinians started their Intifadas, they lived in complete peace with their Israeli neighbors, with the exception of some Palestinian terrorists launching an attack now and then. But, from 1967-1987, there was relative peace. And, I'm sorry, but Anon is absolutely correct in his/her knowledge of history. You need to brush up a little bit better. Yes, when Palestinians say that the right to live on their own land is all they're asking for, you're right. They want Israel to cease existing, the Jews to be run out of town or into the sea would be much better, and for them to take control of the entire land. In fact, here's another little history lesson for you. The Arab leaders never wanted a Palestinian Arab State. They refused to be addressed as Palestininians. Before 1948 and 1964, the only people who were referred to as Palestinians were the JEWS. In fact, the Arab leaders said that the area of Palestine was merely part of "Greater Syria". It was only after Syria did not get all the land they expected and Israel was created that they switched their desires to just getting rid of Israel and creating a state in the land named "Philistia". So, what is Israel occupying again?

History is fun, isn't it?
-OC

8:39 PM  
Anonymous george said...

dear Olah,
from what I read in your last post, I understand that you are suggesting that the Palestinians are the real occupiers!

be reasonable, they are the weaker ones, they don't have even 10% of the arms Israel has. If they were the ones who came last and occupied the land of the Jews, don't you think they would have gived up long ago?
what is the power that makes people like Abu Salah stick to their land and to their unendurable life, other than the power of people defending their land and their rights?

12:53 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

The Bobsy Twins (Olah/Oleh) are really good at using the past to make their arguments.
They use religious texts to further their arguments. Obviously the Muslim texts mean nothing.
They are constantly using Jewish persecusion as their argument. But they don't see the persecusion of Palestinians as a problem.
Why were the Jews constantly persecuted? There had to be a reason!
They mention only that there were a few Palestinians living in the area. Because they were Nomads. They needed lots of land to move around to feed themselves. This was a way of life back then.
Don't use the past to excuse your life today. You stole their land. And don't use the phrase Anti-Semite because the Muslims are Semite.
Zionism is the problem, Judaeism is not.
This site is for understanding, not for Zionism lies.

1:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kimmy,
you are so stupid you should be wearing a sign so that people know to keep away from you.

"Why were the Jews constantly persecuted? There had to be a reason!"
Do you really want to go in to this? That is nothing more than a classic anti-semetic Statement.Do you even relize what you wrote? --> The Jews were persecuted througout history therefore they must have done something wrong.

Go home and read a book and get some Information into that little brain of yours. If you want I am willing to gove you a few reffernce points here is a good (simple so that even you will understand it) points:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSpogroms.htm

2:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was my land, Israel, before you got here.It was my land before your Prophet was born. I came before you.....You yourself aknowledge Moses,my "prophet" as one to respect. Respect my life.I will respect yours.

2:07 AM  
Anonymous timmy said...

a Question to all the Palestinians amongst you:
Let me ask you this. Given 2 options - A trully free Palestinian State with Peacful relations with Israel, Including free trade, and movement, But Without all of the west bank (meaning some of the Settlements Stay where they are and other get removed), and Jerusalem Stays an open yet United city under ISraeli control.
OR Option B:
Continue the Situation the way it now and see how far that gets us.

2:13 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

anon,
Don't use the anti-semitic line on me. That is a classic statement used by Zionists.
The question was asked and you called me an anti-semitic. Answer the question!
Why is it that anyone questions you is "anti-semitic"?
This is a political problem. But you make it personal.
Answer the question.
Don't use your books. Use history.
Both religions have books that say different views.
Is your book better than their book? Prove it!
Words are just words. Don't hide behind your book!
Give me an honest answer that can be supported by history, not by your book.

2:43 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

And don't use the phrase George Said Palestinians are the weaker ones, they don't have even 10% of the arms Israel has.


If palestinians are the weaker ones why did Sharon did not expell arafat in 2002, during operation defensive shild ?

Sharon had the tanks but arabs had the oil

Palestinians are not alone. They have behind them.., the Arab League.., the Organization Of Islamic States and the US.

They have the UN.

Israel actually is the small country that is almost alone.

The Arab Propaganda Machine managed to convince people that the conflict in palestine was a small facing a tank.

And people got convinced of that.

A small palestinian David Against a huge Israel Goliah.

But if the palestinians are the Small David they claim to be why did arafat not accept the Israeli Peace Offer back in 2000 ?

Dont talk about the bantustans please.

According to most maps of the israeli offers there was no Bantustans.

Not only tanks matter in a conflict.

Sharon had the tank but the arabs have the oil .

Israel has always been the weaker side.

This is the reason the conflict has been festering for 50 years.

If Israel were the Goliah people claim it it.., it would have done what the russians did in Chechnya or during the second world war.

Israel never did that.
Israel is a small facing the 20 Arab league members.., (that have the reserves of oil ).

The Oil Countries are the Goliahs.
Israel is still the small David , facing the more than 20 Oil Rich Goliahs
(And Their Propaganda Machine that sucesefully did depict them as small davids).

The real small Davids of this world are the Chechens or the Tibetans and these fellows do not have acess to CNN neither the world weeps for them.

Even to be seen as week one has got to have powerfull friends, The Real Davids of this world dont even have the chance to raise their voices

7:37 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

If the wholle story were not sad.., it would be funny. The brave world human right supporters.., rally in defense of the palestinians..,decry the Israeli crimes in the west bank..., condemn Israel State Terrorism...,while the Russians kill 10% of the Chechens.., and totally destroy the capital of a small republic.

If the rights of human beings (regardless their origin or nationality ) is what is at stake why people ignore the massive killings in Chechnya where russian troops use vacuum bombs that crush their victims to death and keep pointing the finger at israel that never did use such weapons ?

While In Chechnya massive killings were taking place.., the world human rights suporters were acusing Israel of massacres in Jenin that never took place.

Instead of fighting human rights abuses that do take place in Chechnya many people acuse Israel of crimes it did not commit ( Jenin 2002 )

7:48 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

how easily people are able to ignore the plight of Palestinians: they never hear about it!

Per capita the palestinians are the people on earth that receive more help.
But somehow people got convinced they are the ignored ones..,the poor david against the Goliah.

As one Arab cartoon put it..,the palestinians are the ONLY people on earth under ocupation.

The only one.(Acording to the fellows)


The UN does have Zillions of organizations dealing with the palestinian problem. There is a palestinian day ( But not Israeli day, by the way).

Arafat got millions.
But despita all that people claim people ignore the plight of the palestinians.

What does this tell us ? Beliefs are not rational and despite the fact that Arafat got many millions.., his wife lives in luxury in Paris.., people still believe the palestinians have been ignored by the world community.

Such is the power of belief and manipulation.

(By the way : Arafat was the world leader with whom Clinton had more meetings . )

8:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok kimmy,
I won't use the ant-semitic line on you.
But I would like you to explain why you think that:
"Why were the Jews constantly persecuted? There had to be a reason!"

I will give you the best (quick reason) I can: the reason is that The jewish people Where not at home, they were in Exile around the world. Add on to that, that starting in the 5th Century when Christianity took over Europe they deided to blaim the Jews for Killing Jesus. From there the road to Mass Murder Pogroms, blood Libals, getting kicked out of countries (spain 1492), Statements like "kill a jew, save your soul" (during the crusades), and more was a very short line.

not everyone who questions me is an anti semite - only those who hate Jews, as apposed to those who have issues with Israel. I have issues with Iran, but I don't hate Persians. Stop trying to justify what you wrote by hiding behind accusing me of things I never said (Actually you are the first I called a n Ant-semite). By the way - you wrote somewhere that you denounced your Jewishness, What is it about us Jews you don't like so much??

"Don't use your books use history"
Umm.. Kimmy... I don't know how to tell you this but, History is written in books. and the link I sent you had nothing to do with a book. I am not sure how you learn anything, since you seem not to like books, When I told you to go read a book, I never told what book to read. But I don't think that Palestinian history books will talk much about the fate of the Jews (just because they have more important things to write about).

10:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

solitarioh2005, the HAMAS have ignored the plight of the Chechens - it doesn't suit Arab politics to get mixed up in Russia's "internal affairs" as HAMAS leaders put it during their visit to Moscow to court Putin.

The unity of all Muslims isn't just mythical, it is epically mythical.

Hence the continuing plight of the Palestinians - they're propped up just enough to annoy Israel, but with no real help forthcoming from their Arab "brothers."

Instead they are persecuted whenever they are seen to get above themselves - in Iraq, in Kuwait, in Lebanon. The Palestinians are becoming the gypsies of the Middle East - another group of people who have never had a state, and who perpetuate their statelessness with in-fighting and clan battles.

The coming mini-balkanisation of Gaza along clan lines - not mentioned in this blog, interestingly, will be a further barrier to a "Palestine" ever coming into being.

12:11 PM  
Blogger Shaggydabbydo said...

One has to laugh at the growing rantiness of The Shameless One and her husband - LOL

They talk of history, without a seeming accurate knowledge of it - laughable

Shame on you both.

Regs, Shaggy

2:28 PM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Hello Anonymous.
I think we both right. After thinking about what you said.., it seems to me that arab regimes do not care about the palestinians as human beings , but somehow they stand at the side of the palestinian fight.
In 1947 and maybe before as far as I am aware , Arafat smugled weapons from egypt to Palestine and in 1948 the Arab countries invaded.
The PLO had training camps in jordan before the 67 war.
I would say that the arab atitude is a kind of United We Stand ( Against Israel).
When it comes to help the palestinians as human beings.., palestinians better knock at other doors since Arab countries dont help much.
When it comes to fight Israel palestinians know they can count with some solidarity.
(Back in 2002 Saudis helped the families of suicide bombers and other people killed).

4:22 PM  
Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

goeorge, your ad hominem statements don't make any sense. What does the size of strength have to do with anything that I said? Here's the fact that most people can't understand. If the Palestinian terrorists laid down their weapons, there would be peace. If the Israelis, namely the Israeli Army, laid down their weapons, there would be no Israel. It's as simple as that.

I am not implying that any-one is "occupying" anything. I am just telling what the history is. What I said are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed. That's the way it was. That's the way it is.

There are a number of reasons why they haven't "given up". #1) They are not allowed back into the countries that they came from. Every Bedoin, now Palestinian, came from another Arab country. After they were made refugees, none of their former countries allowed them to be repatriated and regain their citizenship. Again, the only Arab/Muslim country that allows Palestinians to become citizens is Jordan, and, even there, they are treated as second class citizens. They are not allowed to hold numerous amounts of positions. Let me ask you if the country you came from said you can't come back, instead saying they'll get you a perfectly good home right where you are, and the people living there will be ebliterated, and you will be able to share the booty and bounty of what the dead leave behind, wouldn't you fight for that? #2) Subsequent to above, the Palestinian people have been told for years, since before 1948, that they will drive all the Jews out of the land, and it will be for the Arabs to expand their Empire with. If not for Israel, a Pan-Arab Empire would exist today. Their power would be immeasurable. According to all statements made by various Arab neighbors, the Palestinians are their pawns to achieve that goal. As long as the Palestinians remain refugees, the Arabs have legitimacy in their fight against Israel's existance. Numerous polls and studies dispell the misunderstood paradox that exists in the Palestinian society as a result of what their leaders have preached to them. At any given time, a majority of Palestinians support, either, a hudna (cease-fire) or two state solution to bring peace to the Arab-Israeli conflict. A majority also agrees that the Intifada has brought them no closer to reaching their goals of an independent state. In fact, many consider it a failure. At the same time, a majority of Palestinians support continuing the armed struggle against Israel and agree that Hamas should not recognize the Israeli state. De facto, they are giving and fully supporting Hamas' stated aims of destroying Israel and driving all the Jews into the sea. Since 1947, the Arab and Palestininan leaders have run the line that they will return the land of "Palestine" back to its rightful owners, that the Jews will be eviscirated, and the Arab world will be complete. If you've been spoon fed this visceral hatred and lies from the womb, would't you start believing and fighting for them? Why don't you ask people like Woebad Soebat, who was a former Palestinian terrorist until he finally woke up one day, opened his eyes to what was going on around him, and learned the truth about what was going. There is now a Fatwa out for his death because he has denounced terrorism and supports Israel's existence. 3) They have bought into these used car salesmen lies. Do you understand what would happen if the Palestinians, especially its government, were forced to wake up one day and actually do some work? Why hasn't Gaza declared independence yet? Because as long as you can scream "occupation" and blame some-one else, you don't have to do anything for yourself. Do you actually believe if Israel left tomorrow, packed their border in, and have the UN recognize that they are not "occupying" any land, and the Palestinians were completely independent that they would suddenly have a great society, that the war would be over? Their entire society would implode because they are in no place ready to be intraspective and resourceful. No, with Hamas, they've made their goal clear. There will be no declaration of a Palestinian state until Israel is wiped off and the symbol on Hamas' crest is actualized; that of a Palestine from the Jordan to the Mediteranian.

They stick to their land because the world has not allowed them any other place to go. After WWII, several European countries were forced to absorb millions of refugees regardless of whether those countries could handle them. Finland lost over a quarter of its land in the war and were forced to absorb millions of Russian refugees to the tune of 11% of their total population. But, the world has taken a double standard with Israel and the Palestinian refugees. They are not forcing countries like Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria to absorb Palestinian refugees. They fight because it's better to push that anger outward on an external factor, the Jews, because it would be a hell of a lot easier than having to look within and realize 2 things; Our Arab brothers couldn't care less about our fate, and we are being used as pawns in our Arab brothers' game to get rid of the Jews and expand Arab control. Wow, that's a pretty harsh reality to face, don't you think?
-OC

7:04 PM  
Blogger Abu Shaar said...

I think it's time to turn off the Comments feature on this blog for a while.

If you two wanted to share personal stories that'd be one thing, but you clearly are more interested in turning Laila's blog into another Israpundit.

Have you donated at https://secure.groundspring.org/dn/index.php?aid=1171 yet?

7:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree: Our Arab brothers have used us as pawns in their geopolitical games: Look at Iran. Look at Iraq chasing our Palestinian brothers out. Look at Egypt, using Gaza to distract the attention that in spite of the fact that the Americans pump 3 billion dollars a year in aide, the country is as poor or more now as it was forty or fifty years ago. Where is that money? In the same bank that Suha Arafat has deposited the money that belongs to us. So Hamas uses the money to kill following orders from Iran the same as Hizbullah, Abu Mazen uses the money to build himself a villa in Gaza, and we do not have roads, electricity. We have chaos, carnage and bodies to bury.......1947, 1956,1967,1973......lets keep on giving thanks to our Arab brothers, their ideas and their support in our refugge camps that keep on killing more of our people

8:09 PM  
Anonymous stacy said...

kimmy -
I thought you merely sympathised with the Palestinians, and that is fine but when you say things like: "Why were the Jews constantly persecuted? There had to be a reason!" you swing over into stupid, and yes racist.
Do women deserve to be raped?
Do old ladies derserve to be mugged?
Do Chechens deserve to be forced to remain part of Russia?
Do children deserve to be abused?
Do black Sudanese deserve to be massacred?
Do Palestinians deserve to remain homeless?

There's no point in blaming the victim. Bad stuff happens to good people. They look funny or are weak or are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Hope it doesn't happen to you and help those it does happen to.

9:41 PM  
Blogger Elizabeth said...

Why have the Jews been persecuted? It's an interesting question that deserves thought, not knee-jerk accusations.

In the pre-modern era the Jews were blamed for killing Christ. In addition they practiced rituals other people didn't understand, in a foreign language. Later, they were identified with capitalism by working class people, and with Communism by the elites. Working class people identified them with exploitation, and the elite identified them with rebellion. I'm not a historian, but these are some basic answers to the question.

10:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not interested in the history of the Jewish people. I am interested in the history of Abu Mazen, Dahlan, Abu Ala, Arafat, etc. and the corruption that has left Gaza without water, electricity, roads. Can anybody answer WHY? is anybody interested in answering WHY? or are we going to continue hiding behind the Jewish or Israeli or Zionist endless discussions............

12:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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1:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Abu Shaar, these people have made this blog as their personal forum with endlessssssssss comments, go back to your own blogs people. I want to hear what Laila has to say with constructive conversation not the jewish history.

1:30 AM  
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1:34 AM  
Anonymous johnie clayton said...

anonymous

Describing Oleh and Olah as "filthy dirty Jews!!!" you make them go away, in fact it will just encourage them to stay! and it makes you sound like a racist.

I don't like their mindless occupation of Leila's blog anymore than you do, but that is a stupid and unnecessary comment!

2:34 AM  
Anonymous johnie said...

opps sorry ment to say..

you won't make them go away

2:46 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

Vacuum bombs? 5th century?
All I want to know. Why is Israeil persucating the Palestinians. Why are they occupying their lands.
The maps I saw in school only showed Palestien.
My family gave up the Jewish faith because of the lies that the Jewish community pushed because of the lies that were not substantiated.

3:19 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

If you are using the 5th century you are living in the past.

3:21 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

I am now a non-believer because the Jewish faith (zionism) is persecuting the Palestinians just like the Jews were persecuted.
You can say anything you want and it will not sway me from my path.
The news over here in NA is not the truth. Jewish soldiers are killing children in the name of Zionism and that is wrong!
An 8 year old girl was killed, seventeen bullits, by Israelis and the shooter was exonerated. I have a problem.
Bobsy twins, don't reply because you will only mimic the zionist propoganda.

3:54 AM  
Anonymous Z said...

Kimmy,

Stop drinking the Cool-Aid. You're clearly not interested in the truth. I thought there was some hope of having a reasonable disucussion with you -- but I was mistaken. So please lead by your own example. Stop occupying the land of the Indians in Canada!

6:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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10:31 AM  
Blogger Shaggydabbydo said...

Kimmy,

You say, 'I am now a non-believer because the Jewish faith (zionism) is persecuting the Palestinians just like the Jews were persecuted.'

One does not have to be Jewish (religious or ethnic) to be a Zionist. There are many Jews (religious and/or ethnic) who do not persecute Palestinians, just like there are many Muslims (and Christians, etc etc) who do not persecute people who have other religious ideas/ethnicities. But there are some from all groups who do.

I've made a study on what classification could be used to lump undesirables into, and I've come up with this:

Belligerent radicalized evangelical fundamentalists.

Belligerent – 'inclined to or exhibiting hostility or a combative temperament' ; 'Inclined or eager to fight; hostile or aggressive.' ; 'Of, pertaining to, or engaged in warfare.'

Radicalized – on the fringe of but still associated with, ie a specific religion/ideology

Evangelical – 'Characterized by ardent or crusading enthusiasm' – not keeping your ideas within yourself, but going out into the world and trying to persuade others to your view.

Fundamentalism/t - insisting on the inerrancy of written texts, in religions case Scripture / Bible / Koran / Tamlud – believing that what is written in these books comes from God and must be adhered to.


Some people talk of 'The Zionists' as the problem, or 'The Arabs', or 'The....'; you see what I mean, but imv, BREF's, of whatever dogma/ideology are our problem - thoughts (anyone)?

Regs, Shaggy

1:54 PM  
Anonymous The Quartet said...

Yeah, Johnnie, you're totally right. Not only does oleh/olah have the gall and audacity to occupy leila and her son's land. They're occupying her binomial space. The Jews simply occupy the world. Now, they occupy ciber space. Why can't they just learn their lesson and go away... Like to Siberia or something, where they won't bother the rest of the world. In fact, how dare they occupy the same air that I breathe. I say, we boycott oxygen to the Jews. Who's with me?!?

3:20 PM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

quartet,
what a great idea, I think we should Export all the Jews to the south poll, where the only things they can Occupy are polar Bears.

3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kimmy -
I know you are not well educated so I will help you out:

Polar bears live near the NORTH POLE, not the South.

5:02 PM  
Blogger Shaggydabbydo said...

lol

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is how I see the sittuation, I would love if someone could answer me seriously. At the moment, what I see are a people who care more about killing Israelies than making sure they have enough food. I see people who would rather smuggle Katyushas into Gaza than Make sure trucks with food get in. They are willing to Shoot 100 rockets and have 90 of them fall on Palestinian Houses just to see 10 fall in open Areas in Israel, Can someone please explain this one?

12:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can somebody explain: : "...Our Arab brothers have used us as pawns in their geopolitical games: Look at Iran. Look at Iraq chasing our Palestinian brothers out. Look at Egypt, using Gaza to distract the attention that in spite of the fact that the Americans pump 3 billion dollars a year in aide, the country is as poor or more now as it was forty or fifty years ago. Where is that money? In the same bank that Suha Arafat has deposited the money that belongs to us. So Hamas uses the money to kill following orders from Iran the same as Hizbullah, Abu Mazen uses the money to build himself a villa in Gaza, and we do not have roads, electricity. We have chaos, carnage and bodies to bury.......1947, 1956,1967,1973......lets keep on giving thanks to our Arab brothers, their ideas and their support in our refugge camps that keep on killing more of our people..." So, it is better to have Dahlan drive a Mercedes, Abu Ala enrich himself in the cement business and at the same time keep the anger boiling by denying food, medicine, services and teaching our children to become "shahids"...........How sad. Laila, how can you raise a smiling Yusuf?...how sad..........

1:35 AM  
Blogger Shaggydabbydo said...

Hi anon,

You ask, "This is how I see the sittuation, I would love if someone could answer me seriously. At the moment, what I see are a people who care more about killing Israelies than making sure they have enough food. I see people who would rather smuggle Katyushas into Gaza than Make sure trucks with food get in. They are willing to Shoot 100 rockets and have 90 of them fall on Palestinian Houses just to see 10 fall in open Areas in Israel, Can someone please explain this one?"

Quite simply, 'people' is plaural; while some wish to do the former, others wish the latter.

Do you understand that?

No? OK, in the US, there are thousands of murders every year - are all Americans murderers - is America a murderous state?

HTH, let me know if you comprehend.

Regs, Shaggy

3:11 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

I find it funny that I have posted on this site that I didn't post.
Am I going to blame anyone? No.
I just find it funny that someone will use my ID to use it as a derogatory remark.
One that is going to be rebuked by Israelis!
Go figure!

4:17 AM  
Blogger Laila said...

Anon, you say: "So, it is better to have Dahlan drive a Mercedes, Abu Ala enrich himself in the cement business"...

precisely. Thus, Fateh gone, Hamas in.

10:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kimmy,
Are you saying you didn't make all those comments about how you denounce Judaism? and That we should send all the Israelies to the North/south pole??

Will the Real Kimmy Please Stand up??

Im sure it's one of those Evil Zionists, They are always plotting to do those things, now They have taken over your Screen Name! how dare they?

2:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kimmy -

Very easy to solve. Sign up for a blogger account, they are password protected.

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those evil zionist have now gone and occupied kimmy!

9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for your answer Laila: "....Fateh gone, Hamas in..."
Now, the Palestinians have Hamas in the government that has always mantained that the land belongs only to the Palestinians and violence is a way of getting rid of the Israelis.
Do you support that?
Do you think that Israel should stand still while rockets fall upon their citizens?
Do you think that you and Yousuf should not eat so the money that the EU contributes goes to buy arms for Hamas or Hizbullah?
Do you think it is more important to kill your inmediate neighbours by mistake (=Palestinians)or farther away neighbours (=Israelis)by intent, rather than build factories?............
Tell me: how do you stop the violence?

9:29 PM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

I know that polar bears are on NA. I live in Canada!
I will not get this one wrong.

5:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kimmy,
we have already concluded that you don't know anything. don't try to justify your self now after someone showed you how much you really don't know.

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you all have to be so sarcastic and nasty to each other? Yes you all disagree-good. What is new- you don't need to bash each other in verbally, personal assaults or slurs and non-productive. YOU can disagree completely and still be a gentleman.

If you want to get personal email each other. I just found this blog too messy, and so that I don't get offended or offend, this will be my only and last comment.

12:12 AM  
Anonymous Tony said...

Anon (9:29 PM), how right you are. These Palestinian terrorists would rather have 9 out of ever 10 rockets fall on their own people, so they can claim victory on that 1 rocket that fell in Israeli soil. They would rather concentrate on that rather than figure out a way to get food to their people. They would rather take money from Iran and Syria, use it to buy weapons and rockets than buy food. If they took the same effort and money that they use to buy and build weapons and kill Israelis, Gaza would be a lot richer, a lot more well fed, and a lot better off economically. How sad...

9:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people not well fed do not think very well, are very angry and pawns to be used in the shahid game

4:27 AM  
Anonymous Mike said...

"Abu Salah-40 years old with graying hair and eyes the color of chestnuts, and 20 children from separate two marriages-lives in Gaza’s northernmost region in the farming town of Beit Hanun"

Whats interesting is, palestinians smuggle lots of Viagra from China.
The problem is the pills are fake, they cost about 4 bucks instead of 12 bucks in US. China manufacture 1 billion dollars in Viagra and its a major problem for pharmathetic industry. Palestinians don't won't to do anything about it.

11:42 AM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

The entries from Zionists are so condemning against the Pallestinians.
I was used by Zionists to use my name to make me look stupid. That is their agenda. That makes them more wrong than right.
Lie and insult. Repeat and repeat again until everyone thinks that is the truth.
This is the only way that they can explain their lies.
Lie and insult. Repeat and repeat again.
Nevermind the truth. Lie and insult. Repeat and repeat again.
What are they going to do when Bush looses?
Keep lying and repeating the lies and continuing to insult everyone who doesn't support them.
Most of them are anon. and that is their cover.
Whatever happened to conversation.
Sorry but that is not in their agenda.
Lie and insult. Repeat and repeat again.
It eventually will become evident that you want to remove all Pallestinians from your area.

6:58 AM  

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