Friday, March 17, 2006

'Groundbreaking' Study: U.S. Middle East policy motivated by pro-Israel lobby

Hold your breath for this one folks, and prepare to be blown away: according to a truly earth-shattering new study published Thursday by researchers from Harvard University and the University of Chicago, U.S. Middle East policy is not in America's national interest and is motivated primarily by the country's pro-Israel lobby.

And it took Ivy League professors to figure this out? Tell us something we don't know!

In all seriousness, though the conclusions couldn't be more obvious if they were to hit them in the face (then, Einstein was self-admittedly a slow learner too), it took guts for Meirsheimer and Walt (with whom I took classes) to publish something like this given what lengths I'm sure Dershowitz and company will go to discredit them and label them anti-semites. In the report, they 'dare' to question the U.S.'s unqualified support for Israel as well as Israel's strategic value, democracy, and alleged moral superiority, and surmise that the lobby may be damanging to the interests of Israel itself.

"Unlike the US, where people are supposed to enjoy equal rights irrespective of race, religion or ethnicity, Israel was explicitly founded as a Jewish state and citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship. Given this, it is not surprising that its 1.3 million Arabs are treated as second-class citizens, or that a recent Israeli government commission found that Israel behaves in a ‘neglectful and discriminatory’ manner towards them. Its democratic status is also undermined by its refusal to grant the Palestinians a viable state of their own or full political rights."

Finally, someone saying it like it is.

18 Comments:

Blogger Abu Shaar said...

Yeah, I was thinking "Stop the presses!"

12:02 AM  
Blogger Safia speaks said...

I knew it!
Let the word spread and the world listen. They cannot hide the truth forever.
Thank you for blogging, sister, keep your chin up!

12:14 AM  
Blogger Why Palestinians Usually Get It Wrong said...

Palestinians Humiliate Themselves

In a March 16 editorial in the New York Times titled, As If That Fire Needed Fuel, the Times writes:

"Israeli Army officials ordered inmates to strip to their underwear [see photo below], which many did, marching out with clothing on their heads, an embarrassing and completely unnecessary provocation that trampled the dignity of any Palestinian watching that spectacle.

Given the humiliations that ordinary Palestinians suffer merely by trying to get through Israeli checkpoints every day, the prison raid just reinforced the already degrading reality of living under foreign occupation."

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas stated, “What happened without a doubt is an ugly crime which can not be forgiven and a humiliation for the Palestinian people.”

Palesinians should feel humiliated. A majority of Palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem support suicide terrorism. A 2001 poll by Dr. Nabil Kukali and the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion (PCPO), found, "a substantial majority [of Palestinians] (76.1%) support suicidal attacks like that of Netanya [in May, 2001], whereas 12.5% oppose, and 11.4% express no opinion." A 2006 poll taken by the Jerusalem Media & Communication Center after the recent Hamas political victories found, “56.2% [of Palestinians] strongly or somewhat support suicide bombing operations against Israeli civilians whereas 40.7% oppose such operations.”

Considering that the majority of Palestinians support suicide terror, and considering that Israel prevents suicide killings on a daily basis, it should come as no surprise that captured Palestinians are asked to remove their clothes during the process of incarceration. Why should any Israeli take a chance of being blown up? Why should Israel present Palestinians with opportunities to commit suicide killings?

Palestinians should feel humiliated about their culture of death and they should be asked to strip naked during the process of incarceration as long as their population continues to support, condone, and commit suicide killings.

http://whypalestiniansgetitwrong.blogspot.com/

2:08 AM  
Blogger Zak said...

I am shocked..I mean US policy has always been guided by principles of balance, human rights and fairness NOT

2:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad part is, here in the US we don't hear about this study at all. Its not even up for debate!!

6:18 AM  
Anonymous ratttu said...

you know I heard Aaron Miller (ex State Department) refering to Israel as 'ethnic democracy', in a talk with college students in London.
As a Israeli I think AIPAC is a disaster. In many ways AIPAC is not really about Israel: it's about Jewish identity in the USA, and supporting Israel is one of the ways to be Jewish today. But it's also about subsidising the US defence industry, since most of the US aid has to be spent there.

2:52 PM  
Blogger Why Palestinians Usually Get It Wrong said...

Palestinians Humiliate Themselves

In a March 16 editorial in the New York Times titled, As If That Fire Needed Fuel, the Times writes:

"Israeli Army officials ordered inmates to strip to their underwear, which many did, marching out with clothing on their heads, an embarrassing and completely unnecessary provocation that trampled the dignity of any Palestinian watching that spectacle.

Given the humiliations that ordinary Palestinians suffer merely by trying to get through Israeli checkpoints every day, the prison raid just reinforced the already degrading reality of living under foreign occupation."
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas stated, “What happened without a doubt is an ugly crime which can not be forgiven and a humiliation for the Palestinian people.”

Palesinians should feel humiliated. A majority of Palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem support suicide terrorism. A 2001 poll by Dr. Nabil Kukali and the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion (PCPO), found, "a substantial majority [of Palestinians] (76.1%) support suicidal attacks like that of Netanya [in May, 2001], whereas 12.5% oppose, and 11.4% express no opinion." A 2006 poll taken by the Jerusalem Media & Communication Center after the recent Hamas political victories found, “56.2% [of Palestinians] strongly or somewhat support suicide bombing operations against Israeli civilians whereas 40.7% oppose such operations.”

Considering that the majority of Palestinians support suicide terror, and considering that Israel prevents suicide killings on a daily basis, it should come as no surprise that captured Palestinians are asked to remove their clothes during the process of incarceration. Why should any Israeli take a chance of being blown up? Why should Israel present Palestinians with opportunities to commit suicide killings? Palestinians should feel humiliated about their culture of death and they should be asked to strip naked during the process of incarceration as long as their population continues to support, condone, and commit suicide killings.

http://whypalestiniansgetitwrong.blogspot.com/

palestiniansgetitwrong@yahoo.com

10:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not support suicide bombings but I can understand the feelings behind it.......What else do they have to live for, when they are oppressed & abused and watch their loved ones die on a regular basis by the Israel.

11:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whypalestinegetsitwrong,

In Israel,IDF soldiers strip naked for fun and make fun of the sephradic Jews. ( you can get IDF soldiers naked online if you google)

Tell me,how many Israelis want to exterminate the Palestinians or move them elsewhere?
Last time,I checked 31% of rabid racist Israelis want to expel all Arabs in Israel and 67% support the mass transfer.

No amount of Holocousts have brought humanity to the Israelis.

Why do you demand humanity from the people you treat as sub-human?
Suicide bomb is wrong.
But what ahout the bombs you used on the Palestinians,paid by my tax money?

60% European consider Israel as a terrorist state not because it is a Jewish state but because it's a state that sponsored terrorism and feign to be a victim.

1:21 AM  
Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

Anon1 (11:55 PM), there is no justification for going out of your way to make sure you're in a street market in the busiest time of the day and blowing yourself up, so you can kill or maim as many men, women, and children as possible. Secondly, if your explanations are correct for the "reasons" for why terrorist attacks and suicide bombings are happening, then how do you explain, terrorist attacks, why they happened before 1967? Or, before 1948, when there was no Israeli State? How do you explain why they did NOT happen against their occupiers when the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian control, or when the West Bank was annexed by Jordan after they captured it in 1948? (If your answer is somewhere along the lines of they had a good life under those two rulers, you have no idea what went on there.) Why did terrorist attacks only occur against Jews in those years between 1948-1967, when there was no such thing as Israeli "occupation"?

Anon2 (1:21 AM), can you verify that these alleged videos are of actual soldiers and not spoofs or people "messing" around? Secondly, where do you get your statistics from? Can you please provide the site and study that you quote.

By saying that no amount of holocausts have brought humanity to the Israelis, your infer a few things. #1) That Jews did not have any humanity before the holocaust (I don't remember there being more than 1. Can you please tell me the other ones?). Therefore, they deserved being exterminated. I say Jews because there was no such as an Israeli before the holocaust. Actually, your terminology is ironic being that the Nazis and Germany afterward used the term, Israelite, when classifying someone as being of Jewish nationality. #2) You are saying that all Israelis are Jewish. This absolutely incorrect, as more than 20% of Israeli citizens are NOT Jewish. You are actually offending many Arabs, Druze, Christians, Circaseans (sp?), along with the members of other religions that are citizens of Israel.

Thirdly, what bombs would you be referring to being used on Palestinians and being paid for by your tax money? It's always funny when people use the word "but" when they qualify a statement. It's a psychological phenomena that we like to observe. Using the word "but" disqualifies everything you just said before that word. "I said this, "BUT" this is what I really mean." You think suicide bombing is wrong, BUT it's justified because of x,y,and z. This goes for you too, Anon1.

It's a known fact that European anti-semetism is rapidly on the rise. In fact, many numbers show that European anti-semetism is at its highest levels since pre WWII. If you're going to make assertions as to why 60% of Europeans are anti-Israel, you're going to have to go out on the limb that you actually know what every 6 out 10 Europeans are thinking. Have you spoken with every 60 out of 10 Europeans? If you can't qualify your statement with proof, then all you're doing is projecting your own thoughts and feelings as to why the majority of an entire mass of countries feel the way they do about another society.
-OC

2:16 AM  
Blogger Shaggydabbydo said...

Hello Shameless One,

Begone and take your shame with you, oh, and lose some weight you dumpling.

Regs, Shaggy

2:50 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

With all the respect I consider the study bullshit.

The study is just antisemitic propaganda disguised as an academic study.


I will try to show the authors bias.




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(QUOTE)

Moreover, Palestinian terrorism is not random violence directed against Israel or ‘the West’; it is largely a response to Israel’s prolonged campaign to colonise the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

As far as I am aware fatah started training camps in jordan back in 1964.
Long before the ocupation.

The first fatah attack took place in january 1965.
So it is not true that the ocupation is the root cause of the violence.
And what caused the ocupation , in the first place ?

As I wrote Palestinian fedayeen were already busy atacking Israel in 1965.
So the sentence of the authors is not just true.
Violence started long before the conquest of the west bank and Gaza in 1967.

On the contrary : The ocupation was a result of violence and Nasser threats.


3

(QUOTE)

( The backers of Israel )also argue that it deserves unqualified support because it is weak and surrounded by enemies;

/....../

The authors of the study claim it is not the case .

Today, Israel is the strongest military power in the Middle East. Its conventional forces are far superior to those of its neighbours and it is the only state in the region with nuclear weapons.


Israel is still surrounded by ennemies .


Just a few months ago Iran did host a conference called called a world without Zionism .
And Iran is trying to get the atomic bomb.

So how can the authors claim that israel does not deserve support because it is the strongest power in the middle east ?

How can authors claim that Israel is not surrounded by ennemies ?

The authors ignore just ignore Iran when it suits them.


6

another nice piece of the study is when the author does try to proove that there is no widespread antisemitism in france.


But in 2003, the head of the French Jewish community said that ‘France is not more anti-semitic than America.’ According to a recent article in Ha’aretz, the French police have reported that anti-semitic incidents declined by almost 50 per cent in 2005;

Reading this one would think that france is like the US when it comes to antisemitism.

Now look at an UPI article from 2002.


FROM UPI


Wave of anti-Jewish attacks hits France April, 1, 2002

By ELIZABETH BRYANT
United Press International


The doors of a synagogue in Strasbourg were burned, and two Jewish youths were attacked in Rhone Valley region. Late Sunday night, an arson attack razed the Marseille synagogue to the ground.

"Five of the eight Torah scrolls were burned," Weintraub said of the Marseille fire. "According to Jewish tradition, they will be buried this afternoon."

Both President Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Lionel Jospin condemned the latest wave of attacks.


You see ?

The author just ignore the attacks against synagoges in france and does pick up a sentence of a jew to try to give the idea that france is just like new york , lol.

They twists events.



With these 3 examples I did try to show the " study " is not a study. Is a piece of propaganda .

A very interesting article is called antisemitism in britain.

George Orwell


Antisemitism in Britain



There are about 400,000 known Jews in Britain, and in addition some thousands or, at most, scores of thousands of Jewish refugees who have entered the country from 1934 onwards. The Jewish population is almost entirely concentrated in half a dozen big towns and is mostly employed in the food, clothing and furniture trades. A few of the big monopolies, such as the ICI, one or two leading newspapers and at least one big chain of department stores are Jewish-owned or partly Jewish-owned, but it would be very far from the truth to say that British business life is dominated by Jews. The Jews seem, on the contrary, to have failed to keep up with the modern tendency towards big amalgamations and to have remained fixed in those trades which are necessarily carried out on a small scale and by old-fashioned methods.

I start off with these background facts, which are already known to any well-informed person, in order to emphasise that there is no real Jewish “problem” in England. The Jews are not numerous or powerful enough, and it is only in what are loosely called “intellectual circles” that they have any noticeable influence. Yet it is generally admitted that antisemitism is on the increase, that it has been greatly exacerbated by the war, and that humane and enlightened people are not immune to it. It does not take violent forms (English people are almost invariably gentle and law-abiding), but it is ill-natured enough, and in favourable circumstances it could have political results. Here are some samples of antisemitic remarks that have been made to me during the past year or two:

Middle-aged office employee: “I generally come to work by bus. It takes longer, but I don't care about using the Underground from Golders Green nowadays. There's too many of the Chosen Race travelling on that line.”

Tobacconist (woman): “No, I've got no matches for you. I should try the lady down the street. She's always got matches. One of the Chosen Race, you see.”

Young intellectual, Communist or near-Communist: “No, I do not like Jews. I've never made any secret of that. I can't stick them. Mind you, I'm not antisemitic, of course.”

Middle-class woman: “Well, no one could call me antisemitic, but I do think the way these Jews behave is too absolutely stinking. The way they push their way to the head of queues, and so on. They're so abominably selfish. I think they're responsible for a lot of what happens to them.”

Milk roundsman: “A Jew don't do no work, not the same as what an Englishman does. ’E's too clever. We work with this 'ere” (flexes his biceps). “They work with that there” (taps his forehead).

Chartered accountant, intelligent, left-wing in an undirected way: “These bloody Yids are all pro-German. They'd change sides tomorrow if the Nazis got here. I see a lot of them in my business. They admire Hitler at the bottom of their hearts. They'll always suck up to anyone who kicks them.”

Intelligent woman, on being offered a book dealing with antisemitism and German atrocities: “Don't show it me, please don't show it to me. It'll only make me hate the Jews more than ever.”

I could fill pages with similar remarks, but these will do to go on with. Two facts emerge from them. One — which is very important and which I must return to in a moment — is that above a certain intellectual level people are ashamed of being antisemitic and are careful to draw a distinction between “antisemitism” and “disliking Jews”. The other is that antisemitism is an irrational thing. The Jews are accused of specific offences (for instance, bad behaviour in food queues) which the person speaking feels strongly about, but it is obvious that these accusations merely rationalise some deep-rooted prejudice.

/........./

( Antisemites ) always say (as Hitler says in Mein Kampf) that they started out with no anti-Jewish prejudice but were driven into their present position by mere observation of the facts.

/.../


http://orwell.ru/library/articles/antisemitism/english/e_antib

7:47 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

The article was published in 1945 , before Israel was born.


There was no ocupation of Jerusalem.

But the hostility against the JEW was already present

George Orwell: ‘Antisemitism in Britain’
First published: Contemporary Jewish Record. — GB, London. — April 1945.

8:01 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Chirac to chair anti-Semitism cabinet after school burning
November 18, 2003


President Jacques Chirac summoned an urgent cabinet meeting on France's growing wave of anti-Semitism yesterday, following a weekend arson attack that caused serious damage to a Jewish school in the Paris suburbs.


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/17/1069027055312.html?from=storyrhs

Synagoges were attacked.

But how does the Righteous Britons authors of this remarkable study see the events ?

(QUOTE )
The (Jewish )Lobby and its friends often portray France as the most anti-semitic country in Europe.

(END OF QUOTE ).




Acording to the authors It is the Jewish Lobby and their friends that try to portaray france as antisemitic.
There are no synagoges attacked.., no school burned...;
Judging by the authors sentence one would say such events were an invention of the LOBBY, and it is THE LOBBY that is trying to give the impression that there is antisemitism in france.

(STUDY QUOTE )


in 2003, the head of the French Jewish community said that ‘France is not more anti-semitic than America.’

(END OF QUOTE)


Exactly.
Judging for this study sentence.., Paris is like new york.

The fact that no Jewish school was torched in New York it is a minor event for the Righteous Britons.





2- Almedinaj , President of Iran , does declare he wants to erase Israel from the map ..., but the authors of the study claim that israel existance is not in jeopardy .

( STUDY QUOTE )
In order to proove that the US support of Israel is no longer justifiable the authors claim Iran does not threat Israel .

There is a strong moral case for supporting Israel’s existence, but that is not in jeopardy...

/........./

Israel is often portrayed as David confronted by Goliath, but the converse is closer to the truth.

/....../
Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties with it, and Saudi Arabia has offered to do so. Syria has lost its Soviet patron, Iraq has been devastated by three disastrous wars and Iran is hundreds of miles away

(END OF QUOTE)



The argument that Iran poses no thread to Israel because is hundreds of miles away is delicious.

I wonder if the fellows have heard about a weapon called missiles.

I did.

To claim Iran is not a threat to Israel because is hundreds of miles away is astonishing.

Saudi Arabia is no threat to Israel either, according to the authors of the study .

It does happen that Back in 2002 the saudis held a teleton , a fund raising event , in order to get money to the families of the martyrs , suicide bombers that were killing people in Pizarias.

But for the authors such facts just were erased from their minds.

What matters for them is that Saudi Arabia ofered peace ( in case Israel retreats ).

(Who cares about suicide bombings blowing Zionist Pizzarias anyway ? Forget about it )

So the righteous Britons claimed the saudis no threat to Israel either.

Iran no threat to Israel...;
Saudi Arabia no threat to Israel ( According to the study ).


Yeah.
Israel is surrounded by friends lol.

So no need to help from the US - thats the RB point.

9:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both Mearsheimer and Walt, whom I have taken classes with as well, are NOT pro-Palestinian. They are realists. If you read the report it was particularly mealy-mouthed when it came to the actual need to defend Israel. They made it clear that they continue to support Israel.

Moreover, I don't think the lobby is as "obviously" powerful as you suggest. I think there is much self-interested mythology involved with perpetuates feelings of inadequacy and defeatism on Palestinian and pro-Palestinians' part.

Whatever. I liked Joseph Massad's thrashing of the idiocy and diseased nature of the Walt Mearsheimer critique. He dissects the stupidity of this obsession with the Israeli lobby well.

9:31 PM  
Anonymous kimmy said...

Palestinians usually get it wrong. If you are under an occupying force for 58 years you will always get it wrong. He who wins the war writes the history. The first civilian attacks with bombs were by the Israelis early in the invasion of Palestein.
Don't use the holecaust as your explanation of all your problems.
What you are doing to the Palestinians is close to what you went through in WWII.

6:30 AM  
Anonymous batyahgirl said...

So sorry to disappoint, but Harvard has distanced himself from this "study," and one of the authors has been demoted from his position as department head. Even among those who would like to believe this garbage, most acknowledge that the "scholarship" is shoddy and an embarrassment to academics everywhere.

11:46 PM  
Anonymous batyahgirl said...

That should be "itself," referring to Harvard.

11:47 PM  

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