Thursday, April 13, 2006

Israel's uber-wardens and the story of my friend B.

A friend and neighbour of mine, B, recently got accepted to get her masters in engineering in Bir Zeit University in Ramallah. She is around 30 years old. After numerous attempts, B had to withdraw her standing (after paying one semester's tuition) because Israel kept denying her permit based on ... you guessed it..."security reasons".

B has also not seen her sister who lives in Ramallah for 5 years now because of the travel ban. The most they can do is exchange photos through her personal family blog and talk on the phone-even thouh they are only one hour apart, the moon may as well be closer! This is the case for almost all Gazans.

B. She came with her family during the "Oslo Days" with many other Palestinains who lived outside, in her case, from Syria. After years and years of exile, they were able to obtain permits and eventually ID cards (issued by Israel) in a deal that allowed many Palestinians to return to Gaza. Now, says B, she went from being in one prison on the outside, unable to live in her homeland, to another internal prison, unable to move, study, or visit her family.

B also had to drop all her dreams in one fell swoop of her continuing education there because of Israel's..."uber-wardens".

"The soldier at the checkpoint or behind the Civil Administration counter...the Israeli uber-wardens... is the last, least important, link in the thicket of restrictions and limitations...implanting the jailor mentality in thousands of Israeli young people, soldiers, clerks and policemen - an intoxicating mentality of those who treat those weaker than they with impunity," explains Amira Hass, in another gripping article where she describes every so eloquently the matrix of Israeli control over Palestinians.



"a thicket of physical, corporeal barriers of all types and sizes (checkpoints, roadblocks, blockades, fences, walls, steel gates, roads prohibited to traffic, dirt embankments, concrete cubes) and by way of a frequently updated assortment of bans and limitations."

Periodic bans supplement permanent wants, and in the end, none of it is "news", Hass says, because the asphyxiation of Palestinians, the rupture of everyday Palestinian life has become so routine.

Erez Crossing into Israel, Gaza Strip.


Gazans, such as myself and millions of others, cannot enter the West Bank. Palestinians, including residents of Jericho, are not permitted to be in the Jordan Valley. Palestinians residing in East Jerusalem cannot enter West Bank cities (except for Ramallah). Citizens of Arab states, like my husband, (not jus refugees, and any state really, since Israel controls family-reunification permits) married to Palestinians are prohibited from entering the West Bank and Gaza.



In Gaza's case, the West Bank is a mere 70 kilometres away. But hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who have family in the West BAnk have been unable to visit them in YEARS, and many many others who have been accepted to study in universities there cannot, because, to quote a recent (January) Israeli high-court ruling, made in response to the appeal of 10 Gaza students to study Occupational Therapy (there is only once licensed Occupational Therapist in all of Gaza, and 25, 000 injured people) in Bethlehem, "West Bank Universities are breeding grounds for terrorism"...and "Gaza is a foreign entity for which the state of Israel is no longer responsible"

...control without responsiblity, the true formula of disengagement, the recipe for ultimate disaster.

Occupation? What occupation?

64 Comments:

Blogger JasonSpalding said...

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1:05 AM  
Blogger shlemazl said...

A person who is unfamiliar with the actual events would be utterly misled by reading this. Are you saying that Israel is putting all these restrictions for no reason whatsoever?

4:17 AM  
Blogger Michelle said...

To add insult to injury, I, an American, was able to go study at BirZeit University with no problem.

If the Israelis truly wanted security they would be allowing B and all the others in Palestine longing for an education to get it.

4:19 AM  
Anonymous Judy said...

Hi, Laila You say:

"In Gaza's case, the West Bank is a mere 70 kilometres away. But hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who have family in the West BAnk have been unable to visit them in YEARS"

Hi, as I understand the 70 km distance is going through Israel within 1967 borders. Another fact is Israel and Palestinians are engaged in bitter war of attrition. Since you are not citizen of Israel( I assume you voted in resent election in Palestine, not Israel) Looks like Israel has the right not to allow you to cross their territory.

According to my knowledge they used to allow in BEFORE the intifada. I realize, people have relatives, buisness in the west bank, but I am not sure you the right to go to Israel proper by the International Law. If I were you I would go to Egypt and take a plane to Jordan, then cross to West Bank. In case they don't allow you there, still the Law, unfortunately on their side. I can understand their concern about security. If for example you are coming from Iran to America, they may not let you in either.
Another solution to go to study in any other university in Arab World or in Europe. In a time of war there are conciderations. I know, as a European saw many Palestinian Ambulances going for treatment in Israel before the intifada.
By the way, militants shoot lots of missiles from Gaza where you live to Sderot, which is Israeli Town WITHIN 1967 borders. So they may say: Look, you guys shoot missiles into my cities, why should I give you permition to come to my home? Sorry, Laila may be I don't understand correctly, so forgive me...

I hope you and Yusuf doing well. He is a very kude boy. I would like to have a boy like this, but I am not married...I hope you doing well. I think to go and volunteer in Gaza. Do you have any suggestions?
Judy

4:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is Karin ...
It is beyond me how people can be THAT cruel and inhumane ... people who experienced themselves less than a century ago what cruelty means! What is at least AS terrible is that the entire world is looking silently - and NOBODY dares to speak up and call a spade a spade! Even worse - the USA sponsors these cruelties and blindly Ok's every move these ruthless occupiers make! How BLIND and IGNORANT can people be?? These funds go maily straight to the military - and thus again against people .. like you! I feel so terribly helpless - I wish so much I could help in ANY way! Please give your neighbour my best regards and tell her I highly sympathise with her! Believe me Leila .. there are no people on this planet which I respect higher that YOU GUYS .. the Palestinian people!!
A word to SHLEMAZL ... you have a fitting logo - with your permanent ridiculing and defaming people who are suffering, you can go to where the guy on the picture comes from!! I wish you a pleasant trip ...

9:56 AM  
Blogger Solveig said...

Hi!
I just saw your blog. Great!
Very interesting on 'normal' life in Gaza, a thing that tends to disappear in all the politics. I worked a while in Chatila in Beirut, now I live in Dubai. Two very different worlds, and yours is a different world all together. I will be visiting your blog regularily (although right now my Enligsh seem to have disappeared comptelety, probably bc. its Friday and my brain has taken the day off..)

A3tikelafieyh!

solveig

10:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A word not TO but ABOUT "SHLEMAZL" ...

"Raving atheist Shameless Zionist Pro-Bush NeoCon Professional Jew without bad habits ..."

I guess if someone describes himsef (in his blog) this way ... no more words are needed! That's quite self-explanatory ... I leave it open for everyone to judge! With that you just disqualified yourself!
Karin

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There were far fewer restrictions before the Palestinian leadership started a "war" - a terrorist campaign.

The Palestinian people have now elected an even more extreme leadership - an Islamic fundamentalist one who publically state that they desire "martyrdom." If people outside the Palestinian territories can understand Hamas' platform, then the Palestinians certainly have.

Having voted for further confrontation, Palestinians can hardly complain about the consequences of waging a terrorist campaign. Without the restrictions on movement(and Israel is in the fortunate position of being able to isolate their opponents), I have the impression the situation would be far worse than the current low-intensity phase.

If Palestinians want freedom of movement, that would require a national leadership committed to peace with Israel, on Israel's terms. That's realpolitik.

Terrorism has hugely damaged the Palestinian cause since the 1970s. Post-911 it is an act of national suicide.

11:39 AM  
Anonymous ratttu said...

Restriction on Palestinian movement started in 1991, during the first Gulf War: before the current Intifada, before suicide bombing. There were Palestinian attacks on Israelis long before 1991, but they did not result in such policy. On the contrary: Palestinians could more or less travel freely through Israel and work there.

The real reasons behind it are economic and have to do more with globalization than anything else. This is a statment that will probably anger most of Israeli readers. But to give one example: workers from Gaza - people with working permits - were generally not involved in any attacks inside Israel (as far as know, with two exceptions only in the last 10 years - and this is from the days that tens of thousands worked in Israel). Yet they are denied entry. Again, this is not about security.

Judy says that Israel has the right to prevent people going through its territory. But the fact is that even the long route, not through Israeli territory - Gaza to Egypt, and then Jordan, then the West Bank - is not permitted because Gazans will not be allowed entry.

1:53 PM  
Anonymous ratttu said...

The Isreali-Palestinian history is full of violence; this violence is used by all elements involved to justify and explain their actions and reactions. "They did A so naturally we have to do B". A cruel game of retalliation and counter-retalliation.

But history is not ping-pong. The parties choose the ways they "react" according to reasons which have very little with the recent violent events.

This is especially apparent with the Israeli restrictions on movement. The Israeli policy from 67 to late 80s was one of economic integration with the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinian attacks during these years triggered various Israeli reactions (most popular was bombing the refugee camps in Lebanon) but not restriction on movement.

This changed in the early 90s; there was a shift in policy, from integration to separation. The history of closures starts then; these closures are then repeatedly explained by Palestinian violence. This explanation is readily accepted by Israeli public opinion, but it is a false one. But I just wonder how people would take it if they couldn't travel from Tel Aviv to Haifa each time a Palestinian civilian is killed.

2:35 PM  
Blogger a dracul said...

pretty depressing whichever side you hear it from, i have hopes for northern ireland, they still can't stand the sight of each other, but everyone makes more money with peace, they get to go to nightclubs, shop, bank, do business, you don't have to like each other, rip each other off through business, i guess it's up to America as if you have any say in what happens in your lands. or have i oversimplified again. yep probably should have stopped with how depressing it sounds, i guess i am lucky to have normal human unhappiness and mediocre corrupt government in three years we get to pick the other one again. one day when the bombings stop you can look forward to corporate corruption and politicians and businessmen drunk on power and mammon, that's democracy for ya, i guess you have a lot to learn in the middle east about how democracy works, they used to argue the Jews were more civilised because they had a democracy, now they say the arabs are less civilized because they have a democracy but they won't vote for pro-american candidates, when i get depressed i like to laugh at amurkans, works for me.

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Karin,

"Raving atheist Shameless Zionist Pro-Bush NeoCon Professional Jew without bad habits ..."

For Shlemazal to list all of these attributes and say he has no bad habits is an ..... oxymoron!!!
H

5:30 PM  
Blogger kevin beck said...

Freedom of movement is a basic human right. No one in the US would put up with this in our country, yet our foreign policy supports such abuses by other governments. Not everyone here in the US backs such abuses. Also, many people just do not know. Your blog is helping people here to see what is really happening. My heart breaks for everyone in the camps. None of humanity is free until all of humanity is free.

7:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thing is, no one told the Palestinians to start an intifada.

8:43 PM  
Blogger Abu Shaar said...

Those here supporting the travel restrictions and bombing of children: do you not understand the phrase collective punishment?

All we get is: Well, what do you expect? Stop and the terrorism and we won't kill your children.

Gaza City or Oradour-sur-Glane?

This is Nazi reasoning.

8:47 PM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Freedom of movement is a basic human right. No one in the US would put up with this in our country,..


What about the security fence between texas and mexico ?

Not a single mexican did blow himself in a american town. Despite that Us prevent people from moving freely from mexico to US.

Most countries have fences, borders.

Actually a border is a fence.

People cannot move freely around the earth I guess.

So to claim Israel has no right to build a fence because freedom of movement is a basic human right does not make sense.

20 years ago I tried to visit the US but the obstacles were so overhelming that I gave up.



Click here to see the US,Mexico fence

10:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

H ... That's correct but to call that only "bad habits" is a vast understatement! The guy ("SHLEMAZL") urgently needs an attitude-adjustment and even MORE urgently a good lesson in humanity! Realising he's bending over backwards only to provoke, insult and humiliate, he simply shouldn't be done the favour of giving him too much (or any) attention.

10:19 PM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Kevin probably has a security fence in his computer.
What is a firewall ? A firewall is a security fence in order to prevent that others destroy our computer, our system.

What are the doors on our homes ?

We use Security fences in order to protect our homes.

Each one of us does use fences ( in the computer, in his home) , to protect ourselves from harm.

Brazilians use thousands of security fences ( Closed condominiuns with private security)

So it makes no sense to claim palestinians should be allowded to move freely from Gaza to Israel because they have such right.

What about the right of the Israelis not to be blown up ?

In the case you can read bellow a suicide bomber tried to enter Israel from Gaza and blow up in a Israeli Hospital.

If Israelis would enforce the right of movement of the palestinians from Gaza , that would deny the right to live to many Israelis and palestinians since people would blow up inside israel "to resist the ocupation".

" Female terrorist targeted hospital that was helping her
By Israel Insider staff and partners June 22, 2005


The 21-year-old Palestinian, with the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades (an offshoot of Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah faction), was arrested carrying explosives at a Gaza checkpoint, where she admitted she planned to blow herself up in a Beersheva hospital. Wafa al-Bis had previously received treatment, as a gesture of humanitarian aid, for burns she incurred in a "cooking accident" at the hospital she intended to blow up.

According to army officials, when she was caught, she tried to blow herself up at the Erez crossing point between Gaza and Israel, but the explosives did not detonate.

Bis said on Israeli TV she wanted to be a suicide bomber, saying her "dream was to be a martyr," but then later told foreign journalists the explosives were planted on her without her knowledge.


Israeli oficials said ../../ said she was making another trip for follow-up treatment on Monday, but planned to blow herself up instead.

The bombing attempt was only the latest in a series of terrorist attacks involving the exploitation of Israel's humanitarian flexibility in the face of a very real security threat. ".

10:41 PM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

When it comes to our computers we believe to have the right to protect them from attack.

We use security walls.., firewalls.

When it comes to the Israelis many believe they have no right to limit the palestinian freedom of movement despite the fact that more than 100 palestinian suicide bombers did blow israeli civilians .

For many it does make sense to protect their computers but it does not make sense that israelis protect themselves from suicide bombers.

(And some of such fellows claim they believe in human rights ).

10:50 PM  
Blogger Elizabeth said...

Solitarioh, if you don't know what you are talking about, why don't you try listening and reading and doing research instead of rambling on with your uninformed comments on other people's blogs. The proposed US-Mexico fence would be on the established and internationally recognized border. The West Bank fence goes into Palestinian territory. If it were on the Green line, it would not really be controversial.

10:58 PM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Freedom of movement is a basic human right.

This was Kevin argument. I did show such argument makes no sense.


People do attack the security fence for a number of reasons ( It is built in palestinian lands, it does hinder the movement of the palestinians , it does separate familes , it did not contribute to the decrease in suicide bombings).

I just demonstrate that one of such arguments makes no sense.

Having wrote that I would ask Elisabeth :
" why don't you try listening and reading my arguments ?".

12:41 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Solitarioh, if you don't know what you are talking about..

Besides in your very first sentence..., you did start name calling.

You did call me ignorant.



Instead of calling names to other people you should try to understand what they are saying.

12:46 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

To elisabeth.

When i comes to you there is only one possible answer wich is get lost.

Today a pro israeli fellow told me exactly the same thing.

After i did post a picture of a palestinian child killed, he told me :



Thank you for answering. I now realize you understand nothing .


Mofaz was defending Israeli population from terrorists, not promoting Palestinian victimhood. Palestinian victimhood (let's hope unintentionally and unknowingly) is being promoted by people like you who post photographs of Palestinian victims on this site


Exactly the same acusation.
Since I posted a picture of a palestinian child killed.., I understood nothing.

Elisabeth reacted EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY.

Since she did not like my post she wrote:

Elizabeth said...

Solitarioh, if you don't know what you are talking about....".

This kind of individuals are persons who do not acept other peoples point of view and if they see their ideas challenged they start the name calling .

This is the Board in wich I was blasted by a pro Zionist.

Click here

People do not like my ideas since I challenge the widely held ideas.

1:01 AM  
Blogger Abu Shaar said...

By the way, the identity of whypalestiniansgetitwrong, who has been spamming a number of blogs with Rachel Corrie jokes, is Peter Reitzes, a speech therapist and author, from Brooklyn, New York, USA.

His IP address is: 69.22.238.4

Thanks to lighterate of Amorousity blog.

1:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As long as a have a front door in my house and everybody does,it means that this is my private place and I do not allow everybody to come in.
Or does Elizabeth leaves her front door open to everyone to come in? Why not?
Have anyone here already been to U.S? How many questions do they do to you? Or to England?
What´s it´s so surprising about it? All over the world you have borders and fences and interwiews and visas.
Palestinians are not allowed to enter Kuwait as well (As far as I know).
When it comes to Israel it´s a humanity issue.
Oh,come on,if you people are really so interest in humanity why don´t you do anything to help starving children in Africa?
Not so interesting?

1:38 AM  
Anonymous Judy said...

Message to a dracul.

Please do something about your depression. Looks like you are in dire straits. There is a way to treat depression, please asl for help, go for check up!

Frankly with a name "a Dracula"

you are obviously watch lots of horror movies and probably too much news. Please change your name to something more chearfull, like
" a happy one" you gonna feel much better, guaranteed.

Judy

2:27 AM  
Blogger Sophia said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

3:08 AM  
Blogger Sophia said...

To all commentators,
Solitarioh2005 is anonimo2005 and has a blog called Gazauncensored where he posts some of Laila's posts and mine also and comments on them sometimes as another person and sometimes as himself.

He posted one of my posts (From the Guardian to Haaretz) in its entirety without aknowledging the origin. I am not sure what kind of game he is playing.
http://gazauncensored.blogspot.com

3:08 AM

3:13 AM  
Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

3:55 AM  
Blogger kevin beck said...

Freedom of movement is something US citizens take for granted. I can travel wherever I like inside the boarders of my country. The Palestinians can't. They have been evicted from their homes and herded into camps. Then they must stop at checkpoints just to do things like visit the doctor. No one, and I mean no one in the US would put up with it. Many people would pick up arms. I'm not advocating it. But that's what would happen. If someone forced you out of your home and put you into a camp, you might feel the same way. And here on Good Friday, instead of US Christians advocating for peace and reconciliation, many (not all of course) continue to support the persecution of humans made in God's image, who happen to be Palestinian...including the encampment of their Palestinian Christian brothers and sisters. I think Jesus followers can do better than that. Just look at Sabeel.

4:12 AM  
Blogger anonimoh2005 said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

4:33 AM  
Blogger anonimoh2005 said...

Then (the palestinians) must stop at checkpoints just to do things like visit the doctor. No one, and I mean no one in the US would put up with it..

There are no suicide bombers in the US but when it comes to Iraq...,the US forces in Baghdad are inside a green Zone, a zone where no one does enter.
You cant compare the situation of Israel where more than 100 suicide bombers strike with the situation inside the us.

When it comes to Iraq.., US forces do not make checkpoints ? Of course they do.

(And actually much more people get killed in Iraq by US forces than in palestine by IDF forces).
In all countries at war ( Lebanon by instance ) there were checkpoints since no one does enjoy to be blown up by a car full of explosives

4:41 AM  
Blogger anonimoh2005 said...

anonimoh2005 said...

I do confirm that I am solitarioh2005.
I never hide it.
Actually I have posted here with this nick also.
In this very blog there is a link to Gaza uncensored.

The Blog Gaza uncensored was born when I saw some of my comments beings censored in this blog.
(and I got censored in other blogs also . In order to be able to comment some posts I was forced to start my own blog.)
I did post a link to your article as well as a link to this article in Gaza uncored.
Besides I made clear Layla is not doing censorship now.
In case Layla got offended by any of my commments I can delete them.
Having said that I think I have the right to comment other peoples posts in my blog.
That is exactly what sophia did when it comes to a Haaretz article.
She did comment it on her Blog.
Same did I

5:18 AM  
Blogger Abu Shaar said...

I give you the benefit of the doubt that English might not be your first language, but you know
censorship doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.

It's a little sad, actually, that after no one wanted to thrash with you you decided to clone Laila's blog and have imaginary conversations with her.

7:43 AM  
Blogger Laila said...

Abu Shaar,
not only is he having imaginary conversations, he has in the past taken pictures of mine from the web and digitally distorted them without my permission until I sent him an email telling him, to put it mildly, how uncomfortable I am with this. In short-he scares me.

As for you, Paul (aka solitaira, anonima, et al), what you have done on your alter-blog is a copyright infringement. You have posted my exact words with no permission from me and in some cases with no attribution.

Further, you seem not to be familiar with what a blog is, and that fact that what you refer to as "censorship" is "comment moderation". I'll stop here as this is already getting to be a waste of time and energy.

11:33 AM  
Blogger Laila said...

Judy 443:

"If I were you I would go to Egypt and take a plane to Jordan, then cross to West Bank."

As someone mentioned above, I can't-the principle is not crossing into Israel's territory, its Israel controlling movement in and out of territories it illegally occupied-the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem (not to mentoin the Golan Heights). It is obligated to facilitate movement to and between and inside these territories according to International Law. Its their responsiblity to find a method to faciliate the movement, whether that is a highway or a train or a road system. Anyhow I dn't have time to continue here too much to do maybe later...

Times of War? Let's try times of Occupation.

11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It happens that to move inside "their country" they have to cross into Israel,and Israel it´s not obligate to allow it.
And now Israel it´s obligate to "find a way" to facilitate you to move inside "your country"?
Just spend more money to build a train or a road?
Soory that it´s your obligation. Of course you should maybe seat together to find a way how it´s going to work from now on.
But,don´t matter if times of war or times of occupation like you call.
Isarel has no responsability whatsoever,you want your "country",just find a way or a solution "yourselves" and your brilliant government how you can move.Spend your money or like I told before, Arafat´s wife money in trains,road systems or whatever.
And only fopr your concern Kevin,how do you think that Jews haven feel when they have to leave their houses in Irak,Lebanon or Iran?
Have you ever heard about any Jewih Community on those countries?
At how many of the twenty two arab countries you heard about a Jewish Community?
You know what happened to those people houses?
So,please don´t come to me to talk about freedom,and violation and occupation.

12:17 PM  
Blogger Sophia said...

Anonimoh2005, Solitarioh2005, gazauncensored...is portuguese. I also know his web server name. He might be one of those portuguese jews whose ancestors were oppressed during the christian inquisition and obligated to hide their religion. Now he is blaming it on Muslims and Palestinians.
What he is doing is really mean. He is copying my posts also entirely and posting them on 'his' blog and commenting on them under another name. He is unable to write by himself. He is inarticulate, hateful and above all dishonest.

1:50 PM  
Blogger anonimoh2005 said...

he has in the past taken pictures of mine from the web and digitally distorted them without my permission until I sent him an email telling him, to put it mildly, how uncomfortable I am with this. In short-he scares me.


Some of my scary pictures can still be seen in this blog .

Click here to see a twisted picture I did


Or click here

When it comes to the pictures Of layla I took from the web I did confirm that for fun I did modify 2 pictures of her that she has in her blog profile .

(In my blog I can post pictures I did change just 4 fun )

I did modify one a few months ago.
Since it was a picture of Layla out of respect I thought I should send her first, before posting it in this blog.
Layla did reply that she did prefer I did not post it and I said no problem.
I did respect her.

A month or so did pass.


Someone in this blog did comment Layla might eventually cover her face .
After reading that comment I had the idea to make a picture of Layla with face covered.

As I did for the first picture I did show her my work first.
The end result was very similar to this picture.

Click here to see

Is this picture in any way disrespectful ?

No.


Layla in a brief mail told me she did not feel confortable with what I had done and I did apologize.

Such episode did happen Feb 19, 2006.

I respect Layla will and I did not post anywhere in the web the aforementioned picture.

In no moment Layla told me I did scare her.




Sophia criticism


"SOPHIA WROTE He is unable to write by himself. He is inarticulate, hateful and above all dishonest.".

My dishonesty :

I never hide anonimoh2005 was solitarioh2005.

Actually I never posted in this blog as anonimous and I publicly declare that I solitario was anonimo.



I am hateful ?
I just remind you that in this very post I wrote:

" In case Layla got offended by any of my comments I did post in my blog I can delete them.".

This is not to be hateful.

When it comes to Sophia I called her antisemite.
(And not only to her).

But I did justify.


Sophia and others in their blogs do accuse Israel day after day Israel and the Israelis.
But if one does dare to criticize this relentless criticism.., one is labeled of hateful and disohnest.


People think they have the right to criticize Israelis and Israel, but they do not admit any criticism .

3:35 PM  
Blogger anonimoh2005 said...

It's a little sad, actually, that after no one wanted to thrash with you you decided to clone Laila's blog and have imaginary conversations with her.


As you saw by Sophia post I had not just "imaginary " conversations with Layla.

I think I made myself understood. I decided to post in a blog of mine the comments I was doing in other peoples Blogs and they did not publish.

To have imaginary conversations..., is to comment a post and next realize that the comment went to the trash can.

In case I post my comments in public anyone can see what I wrote and such comments are not imaginary anymore.

Exactly because I do not enjoy imaginary comments that get deleted by the Blogs administrators I decided to start posting my comments in my blog.

In my blog I post comments I did to you, to Gert, To sophia and to Layla.

3:51 PM  
Blogger Laila said...

Paul:

"In no moment Layla told me I did scare her."

Well in case it wasn't clear before-YOU SCARE ME. Please DO NOT digitally modify any of my personal pictures-including but not limited to pictures of Yousuf's toys. Do you want that in writing somewhere so you can sign? Please stop harassing me. Don't you have someone else's blog to stalk or is it just mine?

3:59 PM  
Blogger Laila said...

And I meant Peter, not Paul.

3:59 PM  
Blogger anonimoh2005 said...

Don't you have someone else's blog to stalk or is it just mine?


1- You never told me you saw my messages as stalking.

I am not the only person that does post here.

2 I tried to respect you as I already show.


3- I will stop posting here and I will delete the references I do to you in the blog uncensored.

I will dissapear.
No problem.

You never told me you saw my messages as stalking.

I am not a criminal and I have always tried to respect you.

4:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank God!!! nshkur allah he is gone (I hope) ......by the way, Happy Easter everyone!

H

5:45 PM  
Anonymous Tareq said...

I echo the last comment made by anon (5.45pm).

Although the individual called anonimoh2005 states that he has always tried to be respectful, it is apparent to any objective observer that the actions of this person are sad, disturbing and constitutes harrasment.

This is particularly so when you describe that you emailed Laila to request that your doctored photo's of her be published. To decide to manipulate her photo in the first place is disturbing... let alone emailing her about it... and then publishing them after you knew of her wishes.

I hope you don't do this again to her or anyone else again. It really is totally unacceptable behaviour.

8:09 PM  
Anonymous Judy said...

Laila said "As someone mentioned above, I can't-the principle is not crossing into Israel's territory, its Israel controlling movement in and out of territories it illegally occupied-the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem (not to mentoin the Golan Heights). It is obligated to facilitate movement to and between and inside these territories according to International Law. Its their responsiblity to find a method to faciliate the movement, whether that is a highway or a train or a road system. Anyhow I dn't have time to continue here too much to do maybe later..."



When you talking about:

"It is obligated to facilitate movement to and between and inside these territories according to International Law. "

Ther is no International law even close to what you describe. Why? Becoase I checked it up. This is the same situation as in Iraq and Afganistan. There is NO obligation to provide free pass to population of the hostile entity.

The best bet for Palestinians is to disarm Hamas and sease hostilities. By the way THIS is International law and THIS is the reason the world united against Hamas.
The well being of Palestinians is important for every person who care for ordinary falks who are peaseful and want to feed their families and have good jobs and want 2 state solution..
However their leaders are shooting themselves in a foot. They want to fight Israel even if it means to defy the whole world.
Every person with eyes in his head can see Hamas is headind in very bad direction. Good Luck, Laila

8:17 PM  
Anonymous Judy said...

Another thing, how can we pressure Israel to go easy on Palestinians when Hamas charter say this?

Here
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

"Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: “Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.” From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem"

If you read their covenant it is clear they don't want pease to say the least

8:28 PM  
Blogger anonimoh2005 said...

To decide to manipulate her photo in the first place is disturbing... let alone emailing her about it... and then publishing them after you knew of her wishes.

I delete all references to layla on my site.

I did my share.
I would apreciate that
You stop talking about me .
Thank You

I do not publish my exchange of mails between me and Layla because I respect her.

Now it is me that is being harrased.
I also changed the lay out of my blog so that people could not claim I was copying laila layout.
It would be apreciated id you stop talking about me since this is a public blog.


http://gazauncensored.blogspot.com/

8:40 PM  
Blogger anonimoh2005 said...

and then publishing them after you knew of her wishes.
I did not publish anywhere the pictures I did show to layla.
Not even now.
I show a picture that was similar to the one I did.
I never posted or published any pictures of her.

8:44 PM  
Blogger Sophia said...

Anonimoh2005, solitarioh2005, Gazauncensored, etc...

Don't call me anti-semite simply because I dare criticize Israel, you ignorant racist bigot. I ask you to stop copying my posts, visiting my blog and even mentioning my name.

11:36 PM  
Blogger a dracul said...

just a quick rebuttal to Judith, International Law is being written and rewritten now by the USA, i am not a lawyer law evolves, people usually refer to the Declaration of Human Rights after WWII but they also mean the Hague and Geneva Conventions, there is a belief that even if the law cannot be enforced there must be a more just way for nations to treat each other. You can't look up a one text book or website and say this is international law. I think people mean article 13 of the Declaration on Human Rights for freedom of travel but it's an ideal, the Jews are occupying land that doesn't belong to them. As for Hamas they seem a violent lot with violent aims but so were Sinn Fein IRA, when you are fed up of killing you negotiate. Both sides will have to give up claims on lands won't they.

I'll happily discuss the history of the Order of St George and the Dragon if you come to my web site it's not that relevant here, George was a Palestinian embarrasingly enough the knights were set up to slow the advance of Islam, i am just trying to con some stupid yanks out of admin fees for joining the order. But there is more to history than hammer horror films. And depression is human safety mechanism, the alternative is to get very angry or violent, if you wish to take umbrage with my depression or anger certainly take it up on my site, still not that relevant to this page. If you feel up to it, i'll be gentle with you.

I don't particularly sympathize with murderers jews muslims or Xtians but I can understand their motivation, 'I am a human being and nothing human is alien to me' At least today no one will dare say that they did not know it was going on.

As for international law or the lack of it, we reap what we sow. Just noticing the process of this comment site, we are full of lies, violence, threats. And we all aspire to being civilised, to people who can think and reason, argue respectfully avoiding ad hominem taunts, but we fail, and try again.

Love is a powerful force it should tear us apart. I was touched by the post above this one. Because it is about love, saw a documentary on the late Marvin Gaye. Love should make us quake with fear.

I am deeply saddened or if you prefer depressed by all this, but it is the price i pay for preserving my humanity.

If i want to demonstrate outside my own parliament in Westminster I have to write in advance to the Commissioner of the Met, I have done so once, I am doing so again. No point criticizing the Jews for restricting freedom of travel if I won't take on my own corrupt government when I won't have to pay any price other than a postage stamp.

You are doing God's work Laila speaking the truth to those in authority, there is a price to be paid for that also sister.

1:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a dracul,

Your statement that "the Jews are occupying land that doesn't belong to them" is simply devoid of historical context. Read your history and you will learn that Israel (not "the Jews") had no desire to take any of that land, until they were attacked by Arab armies from all sides.

Had those Arab armies won the war, of course, they would have murdered and/or deported all the Jews, just as Jordan did to all Jewish residents of the old city of Jerusalem in 1948. No reparations, no historical homeland, no nothin. Oh, and from 1948-1967 there were no Arab references anywhere to an "indigenous Palestinian people" requiring liberty from Jordan. Small wonder, as Jordan itself is at least 2/3rds the same ethnicity.

So all the talk of "occupation" "right of return" etc. is more than a bit hypocritical. No Arab was interested in hearing any of this when Jordan held the keys to Jerusalem.

So Israel occupied the lands, after it was attacked. Jerusalem's Old City is no longer up for negotiation. The Arabs had it, and permitted no Jew to step foot in the city, much less worship at Judaism's holiest site. They attacked Israel, and now everyone can worship freely (barring alerts of imminent terrorist attacks), with the exception of Jews who want to ascend the Temple Mount. Anyone who believes in freedom of religion must acknowledge that the Holy Sites of Jerusalem have fared far better in Israeli hands.

For further proof of the contrast, just see what the Palestinians did to the Tomb of Yosef.

Yet Israel is still willing to negotiate -- the new Hamas government is not merely unwilling, they also have declared null and void all their previous agreements.

Since the existence of the PA is itself the result of the agreements, Hamas has declared the existence of the PA itself null and void.

So right now, they have no rights to anything. The only way out is for them to drop their guns and start talking.

When Laila starts saying that, though, they will come for her and kill her.

5:19 AM  
Blogger a dracul said...

Israelis then friend, thank god you didn't claim the word means them what wrestles with God, after the pericope from the brook jabbok, but that isn't history is it, my name is Desie, 1967 is too recent an event earn the term history, there are people like you in ireland still except they'll talk of the Black and Tans and Cromwell and how people lost the right because of 700 years of terror, and they aren't lies. I could go back through history for thousands of years, but would that help you other than showing that some knowledge history need not necessarily help. I was going to bring up the dhimmi status and compare the Sultan's rulership with Jerusalem to Christian Kings.

One problem when dealing with the children of abuse who go on to abuse is first separating out the genuine injustice, and with all conflicts the Empire basileus (no definite article how's your greek stranger) has the last word, Today that is the USA president. Clinton sealed the peace in Northern Ireland and for all the bluster and hate talk, they have a working peace there, men are still murdered, there are punishment beatings, but no more than any major city in the west, and less than Washington DC.

But if you are asking me to pick sides, and perhaps it is dishonest not to choose, if the righteous oppress the wicked then I side with the oppressed, so I am anti-Israeli in this conflict, a more precise term than anti-Jew, most Jews don't live in Israel, and not all Israelis are Jews.

I listened to an old man in the weeks before Clinton got involved, debates among the irish (is it ok to call them that) start well and then move on to history, finally this old man stood up and said bring to the table. Room fell silent, and the youngish politician spoke, paddy we all know you we know your family, we know what they did to you. Do you really expect us to go to the table and they bring their guns with them and hold them under the table. And the old replied, I don't care how you get them to the table, I don't want any more of this, just get them to the table.

Either you don't live there, anonymous or you aren't fed up with the killing or nearly depressed enough. What will it take short of the end of the world, son.

10:40 AM  
Anonymous ratttu said...

On restrictions on movement and international law see here

10:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like somebody who is not Jewish or Israeli or maybe Laila to answer the following question: 9 people killed and 65 wounded, what are the citizens of Israel do?

1:04 AM  
Blogger a dracul said...

what they did was a rocket retaliation, we call that sectarian tit for tat killings, keep the scores level and try to keep ahead at all times, and once you get a level of sectarian violence and murder that most people can live with, you can call it normalcy or the troubles. Oh are you asking deontological what do you think I a non Jew, non-Israeli, and non Laila, what I think they should do:

they should weep and mourn and bury their dead, and then respond outwith grudge outwith ill-will and say dirty talk won't bring them back to life, then work towards a peaceful just solution for all.

You stand on a threshold choose life or death, a homeostasis in a level of mutual terror and butchery and pretend it won't dehumanize everyone in the region, or a land flowing with milk and honey.

You asked the question anonymous don't you already have an answer you are content with.

9:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, no. The reason being that I do not understand why the shelling on both sides doesn't stop. The Israelis are always going to respond. If they do not respond the Palestinians are going to think that it is Lebanon revisited. So the Sali-Salims will continue being abused by their leaders into a martyrdom that will not get them anywhere. Now, another round of shelling.....so on and so on.......Islamiq Jihad=Al Aqsa Martyrs= Hamas........they are all the same and all of them manipulated by Syria, Iran, Sunnis, Shia,etc.etc.,etc. Israel will not dissapear into the sea, and Palestinians are going to be sacrificed because they have been and are pawns......

3:46 PM  
Blogger a dracul said...

then a pox on both your houses sir and damn your eyes

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dracul: I do not understand what you mean..........is it irish, english......or is it damnation for everybody?

6:49 PM  
Blogger a dracul said...

it's shakespeare, romeo and juliet, best not studied at school but if you get the chance to watch a performance, or you may not be that interested nm

9:48 PM  
Blogger jarvenpa said...

Dear Laila--your post, alas, reminds me of the situation of many in my own country as well (or in places under control of my country, the united states--so divided these days).
You are bravely bringing truth to light, and as a dracul has noted, speaking truth to power.
For which you have my thanks.

11:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dracul: did you read Don Quijote? did you read 100 years of solitude? Did you read Die Buddenbrooks.....Shakeaspeare is not the only great writer in this world. So, if you are interested in peace, the first step is discourse....

1:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recall when travel was open to all Palestinians and many worked in Israel. Then your leader, Arafat, decided to launch the Intifadas, Hamas and all your other murderers launched homicide bombings. So, what do you expect? You cant have it both ways,

8:18 PM  
Anonymous bartleby said...

anonymous, as a
'realist' is not a human thinker; I will always expect a miracle, which is why I read Laila's blog.

3:11 AM  

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